Migrant watch (merged topic)

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 27 Jul 2016, 13:39

This report says that a study has shown that there are only 100 harvests left in most UK soils but significantly says that the soil under allotments is generally in much better nick.

This points to the UN report which said that the future of agriculture was in small scale organic farming/gardening. It is relatively easy to improve a small, garden sized, area of soil quickly by using gardening methods and raised/deep beds for instance and the addition of biochar.

Steep slopes in this country could also be used for woodland for coppice fuel production as an alternative to terracing. Both hold the soil to the slope equally well.

The idea of building on agricultural land that I quoted initially was large scale intensive building which is not sustainable. Chris's idea of building on agricultural land is extensive and combined with organic gardening/small scale farming methods of production would be sustainable and not involve an increase in fossil fuel use. The whole idea of a Lammas type development is that it increases the number of people working the land rather than increasing the fossil fuel use as in modern agriculture. We need to reverse the recent trend in agriculture of "increased productivity" which in effect means replacing people power with fossil fuel power. While increasing the productivity of people power in agriculture is a good thing, and something that has been achieved to a great extent by modern organic research, increasing that productivity by fossil fuel use is bad for both people and the environment.

Automaton · Post by **Automaton** » 01 Aug 2016, 09:41

Not long now till the gates open again by the looks of it :

https://www.rt.com/news/354094-turkey-e ... ultimatum/

Or then again, are they actually already open?

In the meantime, on Sunday, Greece raised the alarm over an increasing influx of refugees from Turkey, stressing that the number of new arrivals had grown significantly following the foiled coup. Some people in Greece have even compared the present situation to that which had existed before the deal with Turkey was struck.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Aug 2016, 09:06

Migrant deaths in Sussex being covered up...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-37182791

Five people who died at Camber Sands on the hottest day of the year have yet to be identified, police have said.

Three men died after being pulled from the water on Wednesday afternoon, while two more bodies were found by a member of the public later on.

A search for a sixth person thought to have been spotted in the sea has not been resumed.

Sussex Police said there was "nothing to suggest" the three dead men were migrants, despite speculation.

I know for a fact that some migrants were picked up somewhere between Hastings and Camber a few weeks ago, and that it was hushed up. Now this. Five people die on the beach at Camber on the hottest day of the year - they are all men, they were fully clothed, nobody knows who any of them were, or how/why they died. Conditions were calm, and the tides were not at their peak (there is a strong rip tide on that beach, but the spring tides were at the weekend). But there is "nothing to suggest" they were migrants. Yeah, right.

Post by **adam2** » 25 Aug 2016, 09:23

And how many more who were dropped at slightly more favourable locations, or at times when tide and current helped rather than hindered, who were stronger swimmers, or simply lucky, have made it ashore ?

Who would know if 5,000 people visit a popular beach for the day, but 5,200 return.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Aug 2016, 09:30

Indeed. And on a popular day in Camber, I suspect the number of visitors is well over 5000. It's a big beach. I'm off there right now, as it happens, to get some photos of the sea buckthorn.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Aug 2016, 18:26

Right...so according to the mainstream media...

Five Sri Lankan men living in South London hired a car and drove to Camber Sands for the day. All five decided to go into the water at the same time, and all five of them drowned. None of the other 10,000 people on the beach got into trouble. The RLNI says they probably didn't realise how fast the tide comes in. It does come in fast at Camber, but not THAT fast, not that deep and there is no treacherous mud, and nobody else on the beach, which included many children, got into trouble.

What I think we have actually learned:

(1) The bodies of drowned migrants are washing up on beaches in south-east England, at the peak of the holiday season and in fine weather and calm seas.

(2) The government is so scared about people finding out the truth that they have co-ordinated the reporting of a something so obviously a lie that only a complete idiot would believe it.

So (3) the government thinks the public is completely stupid, and doesn't understand the relevance of social media.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 25 Aug 2016, 18:42

Well you're not far away, get over there and find the real information then there won't be so much speculation, and the government won't be able to cover it up.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 25 Aug 2016, 19:46

UndercoverElephant wrote:What I think we have actually learned:

That you are unreasonably paranoid.

Now someone who claims to be a brother of one of the victims is in on the plot as you describe it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -them.html

Nitharsan Ravi, 22, from Plumstead in south-east London, worked in a Tesco supermarket and studied at the University of Brighton studying aeronautical engineering .
Keen footballer and cricketer Kurushanth Srithavarajah, 27, who was known as 'Kuru' to his friends, worked in a Tesco Express for the past six years and studied at Newham University Centre.
Kenigan Nathan, 19, from Slade Green, known as 'Ken' to friends, is the youngest victim and was a former Bexleyheath Academy student.

The "plot" just gets wider and wider with Tesco and the University of Brighton in on it.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Aug 2016, 20:21

johnhemming2 wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:What I think we have actually learned:
That you are unreasonably paranoid.

I'm unreasonably paranoid for thinking an entirely in-credible story is true.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 25 Aug 2016, 21:03

I think if these poor guys were actually attempting illegal immigration the Govt would probably have claimed they fell off a ship.

Sorry, UE, I think you're off track this time.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Aug 2016, 22:02

Catweazle wrote: Sorry, UE, I think you're off track this time.

Then it is a truly bizarre and inexplicable event. I know that beach, and I was in the sea myself on the same day just along the coast in Hastings, with my puppy - who does not know how to swim. Camber beach in those conditions is not remotely dangerous. The water is shallow, the waves were small, the tides were not extreme. Somehow, five men drowned in two feet of water. How? If they were able to swim, then it is very hard to imagine how one of them could have drowned, let alone five. But let's assume that all five of them could not swim, but went in the water anyway. At Camber, in order for an adult human to get out of their depth and actually have to swim to stay afloat, they have to walk at least 200 metres out into the sea (unless it is at the highest quarter of the tidal range, which this was nowhere near). And if you and your mates can't swim, do you seriously walk 200 metres out into the sea, beyond where most other bathers are?

I simply do not get it. I'm trying to put this story together with what I know about that beach and the conditions on the day it happened, and it does not make the slightest bit of sense.

Maybe more information will come to light...

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 25 Aug 2016, 22:06

They weren't, however, recent migrants. Quite a few people have died in the UK recently from being complacent about the sea. To me it appears that these are part of that process.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 25 Aug 2016, 22:15

I've been to that beach many times, it's very flat normally, but recent storms could easily have gouged out a deep sand bar. As you know, being so flat means the tide goes out a LOOOONG way, I've seen it out way further than 200m, and it comes in faster than you can walk.

Tragic.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Aug 2016, 22:22

johnhemming2 wrote:They weren't, however, recent migrants. Quite a few people have died in the UK recently from being complacent about the sea. To me it appears that these are part of that process.

Yes, maybe for those of use who have grown up knowing how to swim and understanding what the tides are like in this part of the world, we learn from an early age to be aware of certain things. And maybe if you arrive from another part of the world where there are no large tides, or you can't swim and have little or no experience of the sea, then what isn't a dangerous place for us might be a dangerous place for them.

There are now some reports coming out about mud. Apparently one man got into trouble, then another tried to save him, then the other three tried to save the first two. There are a few patches of treacherous mud here and there on that beach, but if you've got any sense then as soon as you feel it with your feet, then you go in another direction. I am wondering whether what happened is that the first person had shoes on, and the shoes got stuck in the mud, and the others piled in to the same muddy location...if they were poor swimmers and the tide was coming in at maximum speed and they were quite a long way out, then maybe it becomes believable.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Aug 2016, 22:25

Catweazle wrote:I've been to that beach many times, it's very flat normally, but recent storms could easily have gouged out a deep sand bar.

Yes, it is possible that the storms at the weekend did something to change the conditions at the location where this happened. They were big storms...I was at Lulworth Cove and Kimmeridge Bay in Dorset, hoping to get some nice photos of seaweeds at low tide. The weather destroyed any hope of that. Waves were far too big and the water visibility was about zero.