Abiotic oil! The death of the human race?

[woodburner]

Dear oh dear, you were doing so well, then you had to add your nasty little snipe at the end, didn’t you? That is unfortunately typical of the establishment based claims for AGW. Any challenge is met with personal attack.

Explain why the IPCC temperature predictions are so far above the measured values.

[Little John]

His last point was not a "personal snipe". It was criticizing your ideas and your basis for believing in them. I say this whilst simultaneously having nothing to say, in this instance, on the validity of those ideas either way.

It's just not a good look, accusing anyone who criticizes your ideas for being "personal" when they have not been.

[woodburner]

Taking one step further your assertions are once again seen to be badly researched suppositions based on no known facts or facts that are irrelevant, woodburner.

LJ you might see it your way, they are no more badly researched claims than the AGW claims. Particularly when skepticalscience is used to support any claims, but exists merely to dismiss any challenge to the mainstream view which tells us (and has been predicting doom for decades) that we are going to fry and CO2 is a pollutant.

That remark to me looks like a personal attack. You think what you like

[kenneal - lagger]

Woodburner, that was a criticism of your lack of facts backed up by anyone with any qualifications in Climate Science. You continually come on this forum spouting "facts" that can be readily countered and are by people who know what they are talking about, unlike you. The scientists who run the Skepticalscience website are all scientists working on cutting edge research in the field of climate change/global warming but you continually make personal attacks, by your definition, on them from a position of complete ignorance.

You criticise them on the basis of the fact that they receive government funding while you laud crackpots who receive funding to produce propaganda from fossil fuel companies with a lot to lose in profits. The climate scientists would still receive government funding if they were to suddenly find that there was indeed a natural cause of climate change and that burning billions of tonnes of fossil fuels every year didn't have any effect on the climate at all. The governments aren't bothered which way the research goes, apart from Trump possibly, they just want advice on which way to go themselves.

Oil and coal companies, on the other hand, just want to be able to sell their products in unlimited quantities to keep their profits going and to have no expenses heaped on them to curtail those profits. They don't give a damn whether or not the planet chokes to death around them as long as they can keep making their profits. You then believe, and expect us to believe that the oil companies motives are good while the government paid scientists are nasty people trying to keep our air clean for their own nefarious purposes. You expect us to believe that global warming is a hoax when even the oil companies own researchers warned them about the consequences of burning vast quantities of oil forty years ago, a fact that they tried to keep hidden.

Now you may think that the above was written to make you look misguided, shall we say, and you would be correct but there is nothing incorrect in what I have said.

[adam2]

In my view, the situation is somewhat comparable to the health risks from smoking.
Long after the general acceptance that smoking was dangerous, we continued to see "independent" research that claimed the risks to be minimal.
And calls from the tobacco industry to "show both sides of the argument"

Letters to the press from people referring to relatives who lived to 100 despite smoking heavily were widely quoted as "proof" that smoking was healthy, rather like these days when a few days of severe cold weather are quoted as proof that global warming is a hoax.
Whereas new records for extreme heat are "natural variations"
Rather like all the smokers who died young were "unlucky, not everyone can expect to live till 90"