Oil supply 'tight'

[biffvernon]

Plus the USA is global warming denial central.

It was British scientists that got caught fudging the numbers and discredited all the related research.

That is a downright lie. Retract it.

[biffvernon]

The United States of America stands exposed in the eyes of the entire world as the number-one terrorist threat to the future of humanity. Many have known this fact already, but now it is universally clear.


As the US prepares to launch an overt war on Syria (the covert war has been raging for 30 months), the vast majority of humanity can finally see through all its decades of pretense and conceit as the world’s model of democracy and international law. And what they see is the ugly opposite. The US is a terrorist state that holds international law, democracy and human rights in utter contempt. It is ready, as it always has been, to kill countless civilians for its selfish political ambitions. That is the conventional definition of “terrorism”.

There's plenty more here: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/08/31 ... -of-world/

[vtsnowedin]

Plus the USA is global warming denial central.

It was British scientists that got caught fudging the numbers and discredited all the related research.

That is a downright lie. Retract it.

No it is not . And no I will not.

[SleeperService]

It was British scientists that got caught fudging the numbers and discredited all the related research.

That is a downright lie. Retract it.

No it is not . And no I will not.

There are scientists on both sides of the Atlantic who have decided that funding overrides the truth. It is probably better recognised in the US but it's a difference of degree.

Some of the authors denying climate change are also 'experts' on economic theory attacking the authors of The Spirit Level, health attacking the anti-smoking medical authors, politics where they pontificate on 'Freedom' 'Choice' and 'Family Values'.

It's a fact that a vast majority of scientists in the field agree that climate change is real and happening. The discussion is about WHAT is causing it and WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

The denial campaign is stating that it isn't real, then that it's overstated, then that it's nothing to do with human activity, then that it's a natural cycle, then give us money and we'll solve it but don't know how long it'll take or how much we'll need. Finally they'll say that the original problem was overblown and they're going to compensate due to public interest out of court, then, finally that yes we lied all along to protect our interests.

The tobacco industry hasn't got to the last yet, motor manufacturers want the money, and so on. CC is at the first three stages IMHO depending on your viewpoint.

[SleeperService]

At the start of the last century Great Britain was a military super-power capable of taking on the rest of the world and winning. 100 years later the USA is in that position. We had Dreadnaughts you have stealth, drones and satellites.

Sorry old chap but the Yanks had to come over and settle it for you.

Military power ensured our dominance of the economic world just as it does for the US today. The method is a little different gold underpinned the pound, oil underpins the dollar. The results are the same.

Military power yes but backed up by resources and industrial capacity. The USA has a lot more of that so wins by default.

Colonization is so 19th century. Today the US engineers 'regime change' to gain the control covertly we achieved overtly.

It doesn't matter who is in control, they still have to sell their bananas, tin or oil on the world market and need corporate services to get product to market.

The reason for your huge debt is the vast amount of money locked up by the corporations especially in China. UK plc is in a similar position.

Make up your mind, is it the USA that is the boogieman or the corporations.

Read Why do people hate America? by Sardar and Davies for an outsiders view of the American Way.

Perhaps sometime in the off season,

At the start of the last century 1900 the Germans were so nervous about being attacked by the British they embarked upon a military expansion that took 15 years to get where it did and completely shot their economy hence Weimar et al. Yes, the US helped hasten the end of WWI but the Imperial German Army had been shattered and the whole country was starving.

The US became an industrial superpower during WW2. Before then it was definitely not one

They do have to sell their products but find that corrupt friendly regimes make an agreement with say, Del Monte, and retiring politicians get a nice position on the company board. If it was a fair and open market then they should be able to sell through Fairtrade and the like but that's 'Socialist Commie nonsense' to the average American.

The boogeyman is the system forced on the rest of us (by US Corporations mostly) so both. I don't see that as either/or at all.

Isolationism is a mindset that starts with believing that your system is superior to any other so any contrary information must be wrong. My invisible friend is the best and only real invisible friend.

[JohnB]

Make up your mind, is it the USA that is the boogieman or the corporations.

Have a look at the Monsanto connected people in various senior positions in the US government, and then look at what Monsanto are doing to take control of the food supply of the whole world.

[Little John]

Yes, political power and corporate power, in the USA, amount to the same thing.

[biffvernon]

It was British scientists that got caught fudging the numbers and discredited all the related research.

That is a downright lie. Retract it.

No it is not . And no I will not.

Like I said, the USA is global warming denial central. QED.

[vtsnowedin]

[At the start of the last century 1900 the Germans were so nervous about being attacked by the British they embarked upon a military expansion that took 15 years to get where it did and completely shot their economy hence Weimar et al. Yes, the US helped hasten the end of WWI but the Imperial German Army had been shattered and the whole country was starving.

And the British and French also had whole generations bled white. When my fathers unit moved up to the "Grande Trenchee" at Rupt -en-Woevre France the French units in the trenches on their right were down to old men and boys.

The US became an industrial superpower during WW2. Before then it was definitely not one

Totally disagree with you here. The US civil war (end 1865 ) gave notice to the rest of the world that they were a force to be reckoned with. On top of the slaughter of thousands of their own people to make a point, the advances in artillery, repeating rifles, Gatling guns, Ironclad ships powered by steam and troop movements and resupply by steam train along with the industry to support vast armies and navies in the field appalled most of the worlds leaders.
The Spanish found out in 1898 just how potent the USA had become. Of course the term super power had not been coined yet but powerful they where.

[JavaScriptDonkey]

Like I said, the USA is global warming denial central. QED.

Perhaps global warming isn't happening in the US?

Clearly VT is referring to the CRU data furore.

Bad statistical interpretation (and dire programming IIRC) doesn't change the underlying data but does make it whiff of fudge until it is washed clean.

The original Hockey Stick OTOH lacked rigor and it was the unblinkered acceptance of it as absolute gospel that fanned the flames of doubt for many.

I for one don't hate the US or any of its citizens. I envy some of their freedoms but am less sure of some of their practices.

[vtsnowedin]

I do not want to be the defender of all things American. It is a big country with levels of complexity in both history and current policy. Certainly there are many things the American government could do better and there are many a flaw in the general population, myself included. That said, these diatribes blaming the USA for every bad event world wide from the cost of taxies in Johannesburg to the melting of the ice caps are just stuff and nonsense.
If the USA was totally removed from the planet the CO2 emitted from Chinese coal fired power plants would still melt the ice caps. And the dollar being gone, some other currency would become the international medium of exchange with just as many winners and losers from the transactions. And no the USA did not invent the world banking system rigged in their favor. That was around before Columbus and will probably outlast the USA with the Bankers of every country bleeding the rest of us for their lions share.
Post WW2 the USA has been very benevolent within the constraints imposed by the cold war but has perhaps foolishly championed Democracy to countries not equipped to use it successfully and one man one vote one time has happened all to often. I expect that as oil supplies decline the USA will withdraw into an isolationist policy and learn to live with just it's own considerable resources. The fact that the US will be unwilling to share will make enemies of former allies and I expect the resulting resource wars to be horrific.
If you don't like the USA today just wait until it becomes dog eat dog. We are a mean sharp toothed mongrel.

[Ralph]

I do not want to be the defender of all things American. It is a big country with levels of complexity in both history and current policy. Certainly there are many things the American government could do better and there are many a flaw in the general population, myself included. That said, these diatribes blaming the USA for every bad event world wide from the cost of taxies in Johannesburg to the melting of the ice caps are just stuff and nonsense.

They are still resentful we aren't a colony, and embarassed that this is the only thing they have to offer of interest to the world nowadays.





I think it is called post-empire-itis.

[vtsnowedin]

Nice family pic. I hope all goes well for them.

[Little John]

....Post WW2 the USA has been very benevolent within the constraints imposed by the cold war but has perhaps foolishly championed Democracy to countries not equipped to use it successfully and one man one vote one time has happened all to often......

Hahaha

You joking....right?

Do you realize how utterly self delusional that actually sounds?

I don't even know where to start V, if you really do believe that, honestly man.

[Little John]

I think it is called post-empire-itis.

I could have sworn you'd written "post Empire twits" there, for a second.