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Seumas Milne has a good piece in The Guardian which echoes what I've said (i.e., what's obvious). That the troika want to see a technocratic lackey regime in place in Greece.
nothing to do with morality and everything to do with a dysfunctional currency union, a destructive neoliberal economic model enforced by treaty and an austerity regime maintained to ensure a return to profitability on corporate terms.
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The Greeks already decisively voted to oust those (partially) responsible for their crisis and put someone on their side but, as Milne points out, the corporatocracy has a pathological dislike of representative democracy, whether expressed by referenda or elections.

As Steve points out, there will be blood.
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Another programmer here. I've reduced my hours from 5 days to 4 days (voluntarily) and now 2 days (less voluntarily), which gives me lots of time for family and getting the veg garden in order, but is not ideal for my prospects in the BAU world. Computing has come full circle in some senses in the last 30 years, in that the democratisation of a computer on every desk working cooperatively has been replaced by a smartphone in every pocket all talking to massive server farms in another country or another continent, and the tinkerer programmer is now largely history, and support roles are now the call centre jobs of IT, where you sit in soulless office and rarely see a non-it person or the actual user of the software you support.

Now the Android App market is all carefully managed by the big companies and young hopeful programmers are farmed and managed remotely, a bit like the brains of victims in the matrix.

That said, my daughter is using a free app right now to make a stop motion animation on her tablet, so imagination is not dead, just the tools are different.

I am thinking of volunteering at the museum of Computing, because I am feeling more a more like a museum piece myself - 30 years of experience and finding it hard to find work because the only experience that counts is the latest flavour of web interface, written less than 5 years ago.
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You're not wrong.
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Today's article (in full) by James Galbraith, the author of 'The End of Normal: The Great Crisis and the Future of Growth'.

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/20 ... sis-000131
9 myths about the Greek crisis

The citizens of Greece face a referendum Sunday that could decide the survival of their elected government and the fate of the country in the Eurozone and Europe. Narrowly, they’re voting on whether to accept or reject the terms dictated by their creditors last week. But what's really at stake? The answers aren’t what you’d think.

I have had a close view of the process, both from the US and Athens, after working for the past four years with Yanis Varoufakis, now the Greek finance minister. I've come to realize that there are many myths in circulation about this crisis; here are nine that Americans should see through.

1. The referendum is about the Euro. As soon as Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras announced the referendum, François Hollande, David Cameron, Matteo Renzi, and the German Deputy Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel told the Greeks that a “no” vote would amount to Greece leaving the Euro. Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission, went further: he said “no” means leaving the European Union. In fact the Greek government has stated many times that – yes or no – it is irrevocably committed to the Union and the Euro. And legally, according to the treaties, Greece cannot be expelled from either.

2. The IMF has been flexible. IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde claims that her institution has shown “flexibility” in negotiations with the Greeks. In fact, the IMF has conceded almost nothing over four months: not on taxes, pensions, wages, collective bargaining or the amount of Greece’s debt. Greek chief negotiator Euclid Tsakalatos circulated a briefing on the breakdown that gives details, and concludes: “So what does the Greek government think of the proposed flexibility of the Institutions? It would be a great idea.”

3. The creditors have been generous. Angela Merkel has called the terms offered by the creditors “very generous” to Greece. But in fact the creditors have continued to insist on a crushing austerity program, predicated on a target for a budget surplus that Greece cannot possibly meet, and on the continuation of draconian policies that have already cost the Greeks more than a quarter of their income and plunged the country into depression. Debt restructuring, which is obviously necessary, has also been refused.

4. The European Central Bank has protected Greek financial stability. A central bank is supposed to protect the financial stability of solvent banks. But from early February, the ECB cut off direct financing of Greek banks, instead drip-feeding them expensive liquidity on special “emergency” terms. This promoted a slow run on the banks and paralyzed economic activity. When the negotiations broke down, the ECB capped the assistance, prompting a fast bank run and giving them an excuse to impose capital controls and effectively shut them down.

5. The Greek government is imperiling its American alliance. This is a particular worry of some US conservatives, who see a leftist government in power and assume it is pro-Russian and anti-NATO. It is true that the Greek Left has historic complaints against the US, notably for CIA support of the military junta that ruled from 1967 to 1974. But in fact, attitudes on the Greek Left have changed, thanks partly to experience with the Germans. This government is pro-American and firmly a member of NATO.

6. Alexis Tsipras called the IMF a “criminal” organization. That was, charitably, an overheated headline slapped by Bloomberg onto a very moderate parliamentary speech, which correctly pointed out that the IMF's economic and debt projections for Greece back when austerity was first imposed in 2010 were catastrophically optimistic. In fact, every letter from Tsipras to the creditors has been couched in formal and respectful language.

7. The Greek government is playing games. Because Finance Minister Varoufakis knows the economic field of game theory, lazy pundits have for months opined that he is playing “chicken” or “poker” or some other game. In Heraklion two weeks ago, Varoufakis denied this as he has done many times: “We're not bluffing. We're not even meta-bluffing.” Indeed there are no hidden cards. The Greek red lines – the points of principle on which this government refuses to budge – on labor rights, against cuts in poverty-level pensions and fire-sale privatizations – have been in plain view from day one.

8. A “Yes” vote will save Europe. “Yes” would mean more austerity and social destruction, and the government that implements it cannot last long. The one that follows will not be led by Alexis Tsipras and Yanis Varoufakis – the last leaders, perhaps anywhere in Europe, of an authentic pro-European left. If they fall, the anti-Europeans will come next, possibly including ultra-right elements such as the Greek Nazi party, Golden Dawn. And the anti-European fire will spread, to France, the UK and Spain, among other countries.

9. A “No” vote will destroy Europe. In fact, only the “No” can save Greece – and by saving Greece, save Europe. A “No” means that the Greek people will not bend, that their government will not fall, and that the creditors need, finally, to come to terms with the failures of European policy so far. Negotiations can then resume – or more correctly, proper negotiations can then start. This is vital, if Europe is to be saved. If there ever was a moment when the United States should speak for decency and democratic values – as well as our national interest – it is right now.
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http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?opt ... ival=14126
Will the Greek Referendum Bring the Troika Back to the Bargaining Table?
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snow hope wrote:I thought one of the key objectives and ideas behind industrial and digital technological progress is that we would progressively move from a 6 day to 5 day to 4 day working weeks, as we all became "better-off".
The difficulty is the challenge of managing job shares effectively. (and individual self-interest.

It is, however, the secondary challenge after resource depletion. (on the assumption we don't have governments like Syrizia.
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I posted a comment on this blog:
http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/01/wh ... ent-153215

The comment was:
What do ordinary Greeks do if the Greek Banks are then insolvent as a result in a substantial cut in the value of Greek sovereign debt and they go into administration or some sort of insolvency regime. How can the government bail in the EUR 100K guarantee if the government does not have the money (in Euros)?

The real problem in going for leaving the Euro is that it will be chaos for some time.
The comment I posted at 10:27 is still stuck in moderation. Lots of other comments have been allowed through.
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IMF state that Greece needs another 50 billion Euros.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news
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Lets have a look at those points:

>1. The referendum is about the Euro.
If the Greeks vote no their government will have to either ignore that or establish a new currency system. Otherwise their banks will go bust. (if they hold any amounts of greek government debt). Hence it is about the Euro.

>2. The IMF has been flexible.
This is a test of magnitude. The IMF want a solution that adds up.

>3. The creditors have been generous.
This all depends upon whether you think people should pay their debts on time or not.

>4. The European Central Bank has protected Greek financial stability.
Actually when you look at how things have gone now it is clear that the Greek government are not going to do a sensible deal they have. They could have refused ELA some time ago.

>5. The Greek government is imperiling its American alliance.
They are playing games.

>6. Alexis Tsipras called the IMF a “criminal” organization. That was, charitably, an overheated headline slapped by Bloomberg onto a very moderate parliamentary speech, which correctly pointed out that the IMF's economic and debt projections for Greece back when austerity was first imposed in 2010 were catastrophically optimistic. In fact, every letter from Tsipras to the creditors has been couched in formal and respectful language.

That is all a bit of a nonsense. It does not matter that much if he has called the IMF a criminal organisation. Saying different things to the Greek people that he says to the EZ does matter. Both cannot be true.

>7. The Greek government is playing games.
Calling a referendum after the deadline is playing games.

>8. A “Yes” vote will save Europe. “Yes” would mean more austerity and social destruction, and the government that implements it cannot last long.
Most of the current destruction is caused by the Greek government's refusal to accept reality.

>9. A “No” vote will destroy Europe. In fact, only the “No” can save Greece – and by saving Greece, save Europe. A “No” means that the Greek people will not bend, that their government will not fall, and that the creditors need, finally, to come to terms with the failures of European policy so far. Negotiations can then resume – or more correctly, proper negotiations can then start. This is vital, if Europe is to be saved. If there ever was a moment when the United States should speak for decency and democratic values – as well as our national interest – it is right now.

A no vote could mean a complete shutdown of many greek banks.
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PS_RalphW wrote: Now the Android App market is all carefully managed by the big companies and young hopeful programmers are farmed and managed remotely, a bit like the brains of victims in the matrix.

I am thinking of volunteering at the museum of Computing, because I am feeling more a more like a museum piece myself - 30 years of experience and finding it hard to find work because the only experience that counts is the latest flavour of web interface, written less than 5 years ago.
I have written a couple of android apps (actually widgets). They are available on Google Play. I am 55.

All of the development environments are freely available (I use Eclipse).

It costs I think USD 25 to open an account on Google Play.
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3rdRock wrote:Will the Greek Referendum Bring the Troika Back to the Bargaining Table?
Why would it?

If they vote no then the Troika will not negotiate. If they vote yes the Troika will enforce what they want (not the deal offered about a week ago).
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Are there any reliable reports of food and fuel shortages in Greece ?

I would expect shortages but see little mention in the MSM. Without a functioning banking system, obtaining wholesale supplies for retail resale would seem problematic.
Small shops can sell for cash and use this cash to replenish stocks by cash purchases from local farmers etc.
A large supermarket though would soon build up many thousands of Euros in cash, at considerable risk of being robbed. How many distributors that supply supermarkets take cash ?
I doubt that the manager of a supermarket would want to bank large amounts of cash (even if facilities exist) for fear that they wont be able to withdraw it again.

Petrol would seem even more problematic, if the filling station owner has a pile of cash, how is to be used to pay a distant distributor of bulk fuel ?
I doubt that the tanker driver would be keen on carrying thousands of euros in cash and in a distinctive vehicle.
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Large supermarkets regularly hold large amounts of cash, but successful robberies are extremely rare. The Cash Office of supermarkets is generally behind two heavy-duty doors which, if there's anybody in the Cash Office, can only be opened by somebody inside pressing a button. It's considerably easier to rob a bank.
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Does the Independent also count as MSM?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 63749.html
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