cubes wrote:You must have been looking at a different twitter to me, it was obvious by midnight that it was major and probably not an accident. Lots of video and photos but I suspect the police got the bomb scene sealed off quickly hence few photos of it.
When you say "obvious by midnight that it was major and probably not an accident" I agree - there were images of multiple ambulances, and the statement from the police. What there wasn't, was first hand evidence from 'ground zero'.
Can you find any tweets from before midnight with any image of the explosion site, any single drop of blood, or any first hand account of the explosion? Within the first hour I can't see any first hand evidence of the event on Twitter.
clv101 wrote:I wish there was more acknowledgement in western media and political discussion of our role in creating Al Qaeda, ISIS and islamic terrorism through our military activities in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc over the last few decades.
Of course nothing can excuse the actions of the terrorists, but an understanding and explanation of their actions must include the west's actions.
I made this very point in the pub the other night - how we ignore children murdered by our representatives - and I have to say, a couple of people hadn't made the link, which surprised me because it's obvious. Others simply nodded but they'll still vote for those same representatives.
Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services, have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home.
It is every UK citizen's duty to put such a person in a position of influence over those links.
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
clv101 wrote:I wish there was more acknowledgement in western media and political discussion of our role in creating Al Qaeda, ISIS and islamic terrorism through our military activities in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc over the last few decades.
Of course nothing can excuse the actions of the terrorists, but an understanding and explanation of their actions must include the west's actions.
Seems like Corbyn reads this forum. Good man.
The response of Rudd, Fallon and especially Johnson was risible. They attacked a straw man, not what Corbyn actually said in his speech and as the Johnson, back in 2005 he made a similar connection himself between western intervention and terrorism!
Worth remembering that on 8th June we actually get the rare chance to vote for a prime minister who has consistently been on the right side of history for many many years.
clv101 wrote:The response of Rudd, Fallon and especially Johnson was risible.
But expected. They have to pull peoples' attention away from the truth constantly else they'll be found out.
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
Interesting that the string of terror attacks isn't having the usual effect of making the incumbent and/or Conservative govt more popular.
Though that might be because the individual seeking re-election was demonstrably responsible, in spite of having been warned of the consequences, of cutting the police force...
The secret services will have a reasonable handle on who's who with regards the various loony tune Islamist cells in the UK. Hell, successive UK governments of whatever political stripe have funded a lot of their parent organisations in their proxy war with the East over the last several years. So, I am going to just come out and say it.
I think there is at least the possibility that both this latest attack and the Manchester attack are false flags. Not in the sense of the secret services having anything directly to do with the attacks themselves. But, more along the lines of allowing one or two of these nutters to get through.
Our deep state have arguably decided that the Tories are the ones who are best placed to carry their neo-con, globalist agenda forwards. Notwithstanding that, the neo-cons have suffered several democratic rebellions of late - from Trump to Sanders (nearly), to Brexit and now this - a Corbyn led Labour party implacably opposed to the neo-con agenda - on the brink of winning the election.
So, my guess is that it has been decided, in terms of those rebellions, it will go this far and no further. And if that means allowing a few bombs to go off, even to the extent of it involving a bit of "collateral damage", in order to construct a narrative of how we need a "strong and stable leader in these difficult times", then so be it.
And finally, it appears that all of the perpetrators of this latest attack, as with Manchester, were killed at the site of the attacks. Once again leaving no-one alive to tell the tale of who sent them. All nice and neat then.
Clearly, I have not a shred of direct evidence to support the above speculation.
A body has just been recovered from the Thames. Not yet formally identified but is feared to be another victim of the London bridge attack, probably that of a French citizen missing since the attack.
"Installers and owners of emergency diesels must assume that they will have to run for a week or more"
The direct responsibility for the 300 murders in Europe in just the last two years must lie with the perpetrators. However, underneath that is the responsibility of Blair and Bush for unleashing this ocean of blood on our world.
The people of Europe have surely reached the end of the road with this and, if the existing political class do not deal with this in the harshest of manners using whatever means are necessary, the people will vote in those who will.
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AutomaticEarth wrote:Attacks in Spain and Finland over the last couple days.
Mods - can we move this thread out of 'Off Topic' back to somewhere else?
I moved it to off topic as the thread had degenerated into rants, name calling and insults and was adding little to informed debate.
I will move it back to "news" for a trial period and see how it goes. Please note that personal insults, and replies thereto and quotes thereof will be deleted, without notice.
I will also go back through old posts and delete rants and insults.
Posts that are acceptable in themselves, but that no longer make sense after deleting unsuitable material are also liable to be removed.
This is an important subject and different views are fine, so long as these are argued in a reasonably polite way.
"Installers and owners of emergency diesels must assume that they will have to run for a week or more"
Little John wrote:A tipping point in Europe is now imminent.
The direct responsibility for the 300 murders in Europe in just the last two years must lie with the perpetrators. However, underneath that is the responsibility of Blair and Bush for unleashing this ocean of blood on our world.
The people of Europe have surely reached the end of the road with this and, if the existing political class do not deal with this in the harshest of manners using whatever means are necessary, the people will vote in those who will.
Do you think the people of Europe have the stomach to use the harsh means necessary?
