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Who would you vote for as US President?

Poll ended at 02 Aug 2016, 17:12

Hilary Clinton
5
38%
Donald Trump
8
62%
 
Total votes: 13

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vtsnowedin wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:Are you "writing in" Bernie, VT?
That is a distinct possibility.
Hooray. Spread it round well, please, for the sake of a better world in the future!
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You asked who might be the future American Hitler.

Well, just read this article...

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... ction-2016
Rice is running for Josephine county commissioner in south-west Oregon, and believes that the federal government’s current role in land management is illegitimate and even tyrannical.

His campaign is well-advertised around the county and appears well-organised. His growing experience in organising Patriot groups and community watch organisations has polished his skills in retail politics. He’s clearly done a lot of work to make himself politically palatable to conservative rural voters.

He has positions on education (kids should finish high school), legalised marijuana (it presents an economic opportunity) and Donald Trump (“people are tired of career politicians, and they know the country’s in trouble”).

But county supremacy is what really drives him.
These right-wing nutjobs are popping out all over the place.
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UE - this is why you should support Trump.

Only Trump can transform Republican attitudes to climate change...

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1451609281 ... -and-trump

Now imagine a President Trump trying to deal with climate change. The Democrats are pre-sold. He doesn’t need to convince them of anything. But to change the minds of Republicans, you need to so something hypnotists call pacing and leading.

Trump is already pacing. That means acting like the people you plan to later persuade. In one-on-one situations, pacing might include matching the subject’s breathing, posture, and choice of words. In the public context it means saying what people are already thinking. Many Republicans believe climate change is not real. Trump said it. He paced them. Now they trust him, because he thinks the same way they do.

And that means Donald Trump is – literally – the only human being on Earth who can persuade Republicans that climate change is real. Some of you might recognize this technique as “Nixon goes to China.” Richard Nixon paced Republicans by being a commie-hater, just like them. When Nixon decided to get friendly with China, his supporters trusted him because they knew he thought the same way they did. When Nixon changed his mind on China, his supporters figured they could be flexible too. That’s pacing and leading.

Trump doesn’t need to change the minds of any Democrats to believe in climate change. They already believe it. But if Trump someday needs to change Republican minds, he’s in a position to do it. And easily.

Here’s how.

I’m going to put this in the form of a citizen request. I’d like to see Trump offer to bring the climate change debate to the public. Make it part of the show, like Celebrity Apprentice, with advocates of both sides presenting to Trump on camera. Maybe bring in some experts on communication to help each side do the best job of making their cases. (Scientists are terrible at communicating.)

Trump isn’t claiming to know as much as a climate change scientist. He is staking out his brand as some sort of “common sense conservative.” Common sense says we should let the smart people on climate change present their arguments and see who has the best case. And it needs to be public.

If you think climate change is real, you probably love that idea of proving it in public. You want the world to know what you know. And if you think climate change is a hoax, you want a chance to show the world that you are right. And news organizations would eat it up. It would be a spectacle, and in the end, the public would be better-informed.

Does Trump really believe climate change is a hoax? Let me tell you the answer to that question in the clearest possible terms, based on everything I know about the field of persuasion.

Answer: No
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Lord Beria3 wrote:UE - this is why you should support Trump.
Why I should support Trump against who?

He has already won the Republican nomination. I'd support him against Clinton, but not against Sanders.
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Lord Beria3 wrote:Only Trump can transform Republican attitudes to climate change...

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1451609281 ... -and-trump

And that means Donald Trump is – literally – the only human being on Earth who can persuade Republicans that climate change is real.
Well, this piece certainly fits with the usual habits of politicians, who consistently and pathologically do in power the exact opposite of what they promise as candidates. So are we to hope that this is indeed the case? Or is it just the scattergun of journalism at work?
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Clinton looks to be unassailable in the Democratic election. Clear lead in California and more and more superdeligates chosing to back the winner.

I expect Bernie to throw in the towel today.
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Bernie's toast.

Never did think he would win it.
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Lord Beria3 wrote:Bernie's toast.

Never did think he would win it.
Yes the media shafted him Monday night but people are beginning to take notice of that and saying WTF.
On the other hand they have two investigations ongoing, one about the Email server and another about the Clinton foundation providing quid pro Ques for donations while she was Secretary of State. If an indictment for one or both comes down between now and the election they would need a stand in and Bernie with his votes and delegates would have a strong case.
I expect it to be an interesting five months between now and November.
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All the more reason why Trump may be successful in poaching some of the Sanders vote in the GE - as he will be the candidate of economic populism.
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I expect that over the next five months Trump will come under some close examination and that will reveal that like a phony Texas rancher he is all hat and no cattle.
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