Hydro up the DODGY TAX AVOIDERS

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 02 Jun 2011, 22:21

http://culturite.tumblr.com/post/604927 ... -day-chief

An Inspector Calls · Post by **An Inspector Calls** » 03 Jun 2011, 08:57

"the energy generated by the dam for the next 50 years, at an average of 4419 MW, is 1.14 bboe (billion barrels of oil equivalent). This is approximately 9% of the proven oil reserves of Brazil (12.6 bbl), or 2% of the total oil reserves of Russia (60 bbl), or 5.5% of the proven oil reserves of the U.S (21 bbl). The environmental consequence of energy generated by the dam is much less carbon-dioxide than if the same energy were produced by oil or thermo-electricals. In addition, the electricity currently generated to power cities and plants in the DODGY TAX AVOIDERS region come from dirty and unreliable sources such as thermo-electricals (using wood, coal or oil to produce energy)"

2 As and a B · Post by **2 As and a B** » 03 Jun 2011, 09:11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belo_Monte_Dam

An Inspector Calls · Post by **An Inspector Calls** » 03 Jun 2011, 10:16

"the energy generated by the dam for the next 50 years, at an average of 4419 MW, is 1.14 bboe (billion barrels of oil equivalent). This is approximately 9% of the proven oil reserves of Brazil (12.6 bbl), or 2% of the total oil reserves of Russia (60 bbl), or 5.5% of the proven oil reserves of the U.S (21 bbl). The environmental consequence of energy generated by the dam is much less carbon-dioxide than if the same energy were produced by oil or thermo-electricals. In addition, the electricity currently generated to power cities and plants in the DODGY TAX AVOIDERS region come from dirty and unreliable sources such as thermo-electricals (using wood, coal or oil to produce energy)"

Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

Post by **clv101** » 03 Jun 2011, 10:33

An Inspector Calls wrote:"the energy generated by the dam for the next 50 years, at an average of 4419 MW, is 1.14 bboe (billion barrels of oil equivalent)....

A MW electrical is not the same as a MW thermal from burning oil! The BP Review use a 39% thermal to electrical conversion efficiency, so when making comparisons against oil, it's ~2.5x better than that. Around a quarter of Brazil's oil... from an energy generation per unit CO2 point of view, it's a no-brainer from a global perspective. There'll be less 'global average' impact from this hydro scheme than the same energy from oil.

However from the locals point of view, it's a no-brainer in the opposite direction as all the (admittedly smaller) total impact will be concentrated in their 400,000 hectare backyard rather than distributed globally.

It is not a straightforward decision.

goslow · Post by **goslow** » 03 Jun 2011, 11:37

Yep, unlike our UK NIMBY's, a lot of these indigenous folk don't even use grid electricity (????) so its all for someone else's benefit. I suppose its not possible to compensate them for their loss of land in a way that is really meaningful.