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clv101 wrote:Sadly, the (frankly ridiculous) threat of earthquakes has proved to be a more powerful motivator than additional CO2 emissions.
So when we are opposing the Planning Application for Biscathorpe, not so far from where I live, we will be talking about the (frankly ridiculous) threat of earthquakes. It just happens to be atop the fault that moved to create the 5.7 Market Rasen earthquake, one of the most powerful in Britain and one that cracked the plaster in my house 30 miles away.

Of course its ridiculous that the tiny earthquakes caused by fracking could trigger another natural earthquake three or four orders of magnitude greater.

Isn't it?
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Ironically, although small earthquakes can trigger larger ones, the large earth quake probably relieved the stress built up in the local fault line and removed the risk of another one for a century or more.

The problem with earthquakes is they are so unpredictable...
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Quadrilla are scaling back their drilling operation in Balcombe, West Sussex, on police advice in view of potential civil disobedience from protesters this weekend.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-23721713

Listening to the report on Radio 4 this morning, a lot of the protesters seemed to be coming in from outwith the area, and the locals seemed more concerned with the presence of the protesters than the drilling! :?
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Tarrel wrote:Quadrilla are scaling back their drilling operation in Balcombe, West Sussex, on police advice in view of potential civil disobedience from protesters this weekend.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-23721713

Listening to the report on Radio 4 this morning, a lot of the protesters seemed to be coming in from outwith the area, and the locals seemed more concerned with the presence of the protesters than the drilling! :?
God help us all. The level of public debate on that BBC thread is truly pathetic. The objections are either based on short term, short sighted localised issues or plain exaggerations, and so are easily pulled apart. Or, the advocaations are based on class snobbery, short term profit motive or petty bourgeoisie compliance with the state because the state "knows best".

No one has mentioned anything about CO2 levels and the bloody climate. You know.....the BIGGER PICTURE.

It's all individual self interest and tribalism.

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stevecook172001 wrote: No one has mentioned anything about CO2 levels and the bloody climate. You know.....the BIGGER PICTURE.

It's all individual self interest and tribalism.

I'm giving up giving a shit...I really am.
Indeed the BBC reporting this morning was dreadful for it's lack of the climate connection. This is exactly what the industry want - lots of talk about the local environmental issues that they know can be regulated and managed away and always distract attention away from global warming, the big issue to which they have no answer.

If you follow the discussions amongst the various Frack Free groups there is a great deal of talk about CO2, methane and the bloody climate. So don't give up - just don't go believing that what you hear on the BBC is the whole story.

They didn't, for example, report about the meeting held at my house last night.
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RalphW wrote:
The problem with earthquakes is they are so unpredictable...
Which is why when a government minister say "Earthquake aren't going to be allowed" you know what to think of him.
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The Church of England has begun legal action to claim ancient mineral rights beneath thousands of homes and farms, prompting fears the church could seek to cash in on fracking.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... -grab.html

I expect a letter through my (new) front door any day.
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They're all fracking mad.
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Dr Lawson said: “It’s an ethical question for the Church – will they use their mineral rights to block fracking or to make money out of it?”
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biffvernon wrote:
RalphW wrote:
The problem with earthquakes is they are so unpredictable...
Which is why when a government minister say "Earthquake aren't going to be allowed" you know what to think of him.
Didn't some chap try that with the incoming tide a few hundred years ago?
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And for the latest episode in the ongoing saga:

A quick note concerning elephants and fracking http://biffvernon.blogspot.co.uk/
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biffvernon wrote:And for the latest episode in the ongoing saga:

A quick note concerning elephants and fracking http://biffvernon.blogspot.co.uk/
Yep, I'd agree with all that B. The public are being played by the media at the moment, that's for sure.
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George Osborne is facing questions over his support for fracking after it emerged his father-in-law heads a shadowy energy organisation.

Lord Howell, who recently called for drilling in “desolate areas” of the North East, is chairman of Windsor Energy Group, which meets at Windsor Castle every year.

The group, which brings together ­politicians and energy giants, discussed shale gas mining – known as fracking – at its most recent gathering in March.

In June Lord Howell’s son-in-law, the Chancellor, announced generous tax breaks for firms involved in shale gas exploration.

And this week Prime Minister David Cameron made a fresh push for the case of fracking, despite growing protests over the potential damage it could cause to rural areas.

Research group Corporate Watch, which exposed Lord Howell’s ­interests, said the senior Tories’ support for fracking “raises ­questions” about the energy ­industry’s lobbying of Government.

Greenpeace campaigner Leila Deen said: “The Government’s fracking policy appears to have emerged from a murky world of lobbying, money and hype while communities have little or no say.


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To become an extremist, hang around with people you agree with. Cass Sunstein
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For me that video started with an advert for British Gas. How appropriate :)

Less appropriate is the title, The Battle of Balcombe: Anti-Fracking's Tahrir Sq.?

At least in Sussex the police don't shoot dead hundreds of people.

And we're protesting about saving the planet, not promoting a religion.
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