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In The Wake (of collapse) handbook

Posted: 12 Oct 2007, 21:13
by Smithy
This is a treasure trove of information.

http://www.inthewake.org/
This is the working website of a handbook in progress. The writings here are based on the premises that industrial civilization is unsustainable, and that its collapse is inevitable.
My favourite so far is 'Water Treatment': http://www.inthewake.org/b1water3.html

or 'Security issues': http://www.inthewake.org/q3.html

Posted: 12 Oct 2007, 22:16
by MacG
I suggest reading "Sheep" by Alan Butler. Should give some perspective on the importance of clothing. After reading "Sheep" those survivalist sites look pretty lame and hypothetical.

Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 16:57
by Smithy
From DODGY TAX AVOIDERS:
Synopsis
Despite everyday beliefs, civilization, as we know it, couldn't have existed without the humble sheep. The sheep's importance in providing meat, milk and wool, the basis of our food and clothing for millennia, has never been appreciated. Twenty years ago, Alan Butler set out on a period of research to redress this balance. "Sheep" is the consequence of that work. His book marries religion, economics, history and cultural studies and demonstrates the remarkable fact that without sheep we may not have spread around the world in the way we have. This is a fascinating study of the world's single most crucial domestic animal that is an eye opener and a pleasure to read.
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Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 17:26
by MacG
The suggestion might seem a bit strange at first, but I'm pretty certain that Butler actually have a case. Think about it: A settled lifestyle is incompatible with clothing from furs - all wild animals will be depleted rather rapidly. Only the sheep can provide wool for clothing on a scale needed for a settled lifestyle. Maybe Llama and Alpaca could play a similar role, but they were never as widespread as the sheep.

Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 19:19
by tattercoats
I knew there was a reason I learnt to handspin...

Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 20:11
by Downshiftgal
When you look at the economies of doing it the old-fashioned way, it can be scary:

A *good* hand weaver should be able to produce four to five yards of cloth per day. It takes approximately 7x the time to spin the wool for that day's weaving. You can make a pair of trouser from a couple of yards of fabric, or a dress from four (obviously depending hugely on pattern and weight of fabric). That would probably take another half day (assuming use of treadle sewing machine).

We're talking between 4 and 9 days labour for one garment.

No more £3 t-shirts after the crash... It makes you see why women carried spindles everywhere and spun continuously.

Posted: 14 Oct 2007, 12:41
by adam2
Downshiftgal wrote:When you look at the economies of doing it the old-fashioned way, it can be scary:

A *good* hand weaver should be able to produce four to five yards of cloth per day. It takes approximately 7x the time to spin the wool for that day's weaving. You can make a pair of trouser from a couple of yards of fabric, or a dress from four (obviously depending hugely on pattern and weight of fabric). That would probably take another half day (assuming use of treadle sewing machine).

We're talking between 4 and 9 days labour for one garment.

No more £3 t-shirts after the crash... It makes you see why women carried spindles everywhere and spun continuously.
Very true, thats why I have stocked up to the extent of 100 T shirts/short sleeve vests, 100 pairs underpants,100 pairs socks, 25 pullovers,25 pairs trousers and large supplies of sheets, blankets and towels. Whilst stockpiles will eventually be used up, this will postponne the day, for many years.
I believe that it is prudent to prepare for a sudden crash, though in my view a return to the 1930s deppression era is more likely.
I suspect that in 10/15/20 years time clothing, shoes, blankets etc. will be readily available in the shops, but that the prices may be unaffordable for many, as was the case in the 1930s.

Posted: 14 Oct 2007, 17:29
by bobthebaker
adam2 wrote:
Downshiftgal wrote:When you look at the economies of doing it the old-fashioned way, it can be scary:

A *good* hand weaver should be able to produce four to five yards of cloth per day. It takes approximately 7x the time to spin the wool for that day's weaving. You can make a pair of trouser from a couple of yards of fabric, or a dress from four (obviously depending hugely on pattern and weight of fabric). That would probably take another half day (assuming use of treadle sewing machine).

We're talking between 4 and 9 days labour for one garment.

No more ?3 t-shirts after the crash... It makes you see why women carried spindles everywhere and spun continuously.
Very true, thats why I have stocked up to the extent of 100 T shirts/short sleeve vests, 100 pairs underpants,100 pairs socks, 25 pullovers,25 pairs trousers and large supplies of sheets, blankets and towels. Whilst stockpiles will eventually be used up, this will postponne the day, for many years.
I believe that it is prudent to prepare for a sudden crash, though in my view a return to the 1930s deppression era is more likely.
I suspect that in 10/15/20 years time clothing, shoes, blankets etc. will be readily available in the shops, but that the prices may be unaffordable for many, as was the case in the 1930s.
Also remember shoes and boots........

Posted: 14 Oct 2007, 22:48
by RenewableCandy
The other day I was looking for a replacement watch-strap when someone directed my down a ginnel I'd never noticed before. There was a courtyard with a watch&clock repair place and a Cobblers'! What a find!

I think it would be great if we all deliberately gave more of our business to suchlike places because they're really going to come into their own after the point of Peak Cheap Tat. As a bonus the watch place are now finding/making a key to wind up an olde carriage-clock that somebody gave us. When we get said key we'll have yet another human-powered macine in our house :D .

Posted: 21 Oct 2007, 16:56
by adam2
[quote="bobthebaker

Also remember shoes and boots........[/quote]

Very true, the above was not a complete list of my preparations which include numerous pairs of shoes, and many other supplies too tedious to list here.

Posted: 21 Oct 2007, 22:19
by snow hope
Wow Adam2, that is some serious preparation. Would you be interested in starting a separate thread and listing what you have stock-piled? I would be interested to see the list and I am sure others would learn from it too. :)

Posted: 21 Oct 2007, 22:39
by RenewableCandy
adam2 wrote: Very true, thats why I have stocked up to the extent of 100 T shirts/short sleeve vests, 100 pairs underpants,100 pairs socks, 25 pullovers,25 pairs trousers and large supplies of sheets, blankets and towels. Whilst stockpiles will eventually be used up, this will postponne the day, for many years.
I believe that it is prudent to prepare for a sudden crash, though in my view a return to the 1930s deppression era is more likely.
I suspect that in 10/15/20 years time clothing, shoes, blankets etc. will be readily available in the shops, but that the prices may be unaffordable for many, as was the case in the 1930s.
Don't forget the CedarWood blocks/potpourri to keep the moths out :D

Posted: 22 Oct 2007, 04:24
by kenneal - lagger
RenewableCandy wrote:Don't forget the CedarWood blocks/potpourri to keep the moths out :D
We inherited a cedarwood trunk from grandparents that has our best crockery in at the moment but could be rescued and put to its original use when necessary. The smell inside is wonderful.

Posted: 23 Oct 2007, 10:59
by adam2
snow hope wrote:Wow Adam2, that is some serious preparation. Would you be interested in starting a separate thread and listing what you have stock-piled? I would be interested to see the list and I am sure others would learn from it too. :)
Yes I will do, though the list will be rather lengthy, and not everyone will agree that its interesting!

EDIT list now posted.