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Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 14:04
by Blue Peter
I continue, "I never met the owner of this watch, but I know who he was. He was a Swiss industrialist who had a hat factory in Florence. He must have liked Italy, because he got old here and he died here; in the 1970s. But it was also because Italy was less expensive than Switzerland and the salary of workers was lower. Some things never change over time; companies go where workers cost less. So, my grandfather used to work for this man, and my aunt took care of him when he was very old and sick. This watch was, I think, a gift of this man to my aunt; and so I have it now. You see, it is a a rare model. It has an internal alarm; it was not common at all to have this feature in a pocket watch. But the owner was a businessman and he probably travelled a lot and stayed in hotels. So, he needed a watch that was also an alarm clock. It is a nice object; I like it a lot and I use it sometimes, not very often because I am afraid of breaking it. But it still works very well."

I look around me. The old people seem to be fascinated. They are old enough to remember that kind of watch and the times when a watch was an expensive object. They are from a generation when you would get your first watch as a gift for the solemn occasion of your first communion.

I keep going. "These watches were not cheap at their time but you didn't need to be rich to have one. A friend of mine has one of these pocket watches that belonged to her grandfather. Not so fancy as this one, of course, but a good watch anyway. And her grandfather was a peasant of the Appennini mountains. He was not rich but he could afford a pocket watch. Today we think that a cheap watch is something that is made in China, costs very little and you throw it away after a few years, when you are tired of it. But are we sure that it is the way a cheap watch should be? What is that makes something cheap or expensive? Of course, it is the work that you need for making it and the materials that you need to make it. This watch that I have here doesn't contain expensive materials: it is only steel, glass and a little enamel, that's it. Its cost would be mainly for making it - paying the watchmakers, that is. So, it was expensive, especially if it was a bit fancy, like this one. But then it would last for a long time and so it made sense to make a little investment in something that you would keep for many years. Even a peasant could do it and this is the reason people had their name engraved on the rear of their watch. It was made to last."
Ugo Bardi


Last week, my watch failed. I thought that the battery had just died, but apparently not. I find myself very lost without a watch, so I need a new one. It had occurred to me that, in the future, batteries (and watches themselves) might be less common, and so perhaps this is an opportune moment to get a mechanical watch which is robust enough to last for a good number of years (though only one person knowing the time probably isn't much help).

So, does anyone know of such watches, and where one might look?


Peter.

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 14:17
by JohnB
I tried to simplify my life when I bought my latest watch. It's got those old fashioned hand things on it, but unfortunately works with a battery. Almost immediately I realised I no longer had a way of knowing what the date is, or sometimes even what day it is, without turning on my computer :roll:.

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 14:26
by emordnilap
Apart from having a watch given to me for my 12th birthday - which I never wore - I've never found any necessity for one. It's just more 'stuff' in my opinion.

I haven't enough time as it is.

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 14:46
by featherstick
Try and pick up a Vostok Amfibia if you can. Automatic, waterproof, robust, time and date, reasonable i.e. about £40, will last a lifetime.

http://www.molnija.ru/62_Vostok-watches-Amphibian.html

These guys have just launched a 2010 range, I notice. I've used the site twice without any issues (apart from an earbashing from SWMBO). Might have to use it a third time as the little fella has lost my Vostok and I can't find it.

Apart from that, which is my everyday watch, I have two other mechanical watches, both of which were gifts.

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 15:00
by PS_RalphW
My grandfather was a watch mender by profession. My dad trained himself as a hobby with granddad's tools and failed repairs after he died.

I have learned the basics, but I haven't the time or the eyesight to do it now.

Mechanical watches simply will not put up with the abuse we give modern watches. They are fragile and need respect, cleaning, and care. They are not as accurate and will eventually wear out.

I use a fairly cheap Lorus with a green webbing strap, 'scratchproof' glass, and waterproof 'titanium' case. It rarely leaves my wrist and has been through many a bog and come through serious misuse with barely a scratch. Ten years old so far. I have a spare , just in case. Batteries last about 5 years.

We can build modern watches cheaply to be far better than old ones. But there is no money to be made by doing so.

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 15:23
by featherstick
RalphW wrote:
Mechanical watches simply will not put up with the abuse we give modern watches. They are fragile and need respect, cleaning, and care. They are not as accurate and will eventually wear out.

We can build modern watches cheaply to be far better than old ones. But there is no money to be made by doing so.
Ralph that's why I like the Vostok. Unreconstructed Soviet military technology, updated with a new face design. (Bit like Russia today).

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 15:24
by featherstick
Oh and they also aren't a wannabe's watch. Sufficiently ugly that the only message you are giving out is "I know what time it is".

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 15:35
by Blue Peter
featherstick wrote:Oh and they also aren't a wannabe's watch. Sufficiently ugly that the only message you are giving out is "I know what time it is".
Clock type: Wrist watch, For man.
:D

Fantastic


Peter.

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 17:16
by adam2
For day to day use, cheap battery watches are readily available and last some years, a good one costs only £10.
And almost all cellphones have a time display.

When TSHTF it should be possible to buy a Rolex or other expensive mechanical watch very cheaply indeed, as people pawn or sell them for food or fuel.

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 18:02
by JohnB
When TSHTF, most people won't be moving around much. They'll be busy growing food, gathering fuel etc, or maybe standing by to repel the zombie hordes. So each household just needs one of these:
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No moving parts, and easily made and repaired with basic tools and materials.

Or if you really want a personal timepiece:
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:D

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 19:37
by featherstick
Blue Peter wrote:
featherstick wrote:Oh and they also aren't a wannabe's watch. Sufficiently ugly that the only message you are giving out is "I know what time it is".
Clock type: Wrist watch, For man.
:D

Fantastic


Peter.
Well, don't you ever want to go up to the fat, soft-looking city boys with the Breitling-Professional-Chronometer-My-Willy-Watch-Is-Bigger-Than-Yours and ask them "Are you really a fighter pilot? Shot anything down lately? When was your last combat mission?"

All the more laughable as I've heard real fighter pilots wear G-shock in the cockpit.

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 20:50
by Ludwig
JohnB wrote: Or if you really want a personal timepiece:
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:D
That's all very well, but how do you set it? Using the stars? (And then standing very still...)

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 22:29
by RenewableCandy
More to the point, it won't work in Wales. Timeless appeal and all that.

I have a battery watch that's lasted over a decade. Last UK shop to change the batts knackered the terminals. It eventually got repaired properly...in Russia!

Posted: 26 Jul 2010, 22:36
by JohnB
Who needs to know the time anyway. Post TEOTWAWKI we'll be working the land when it's light, and in bed when it's dark!

Posted: 27 Jul 2010, 08:02
by featherstick
JohnB wrote:Who needs to know the time anyway. Post TEOTWAWKI we'll be working the land when it's light, and in bed when it's dark!
You'll need to know when to stag on to keep watch for MZBs.