scared ****less

[skeptik]

Now my partner wants to basically pack up as soon as possible and move somewhere with a hotter climate so he can become self-sufficient. (I've moved here from the netherlands 8 years ago)

Hot? er...no. The desirable criterion is mild... aka temperate. Somewhere that doesnt get too hot in the summer or too cold in the winter.. and also has a high rainfall so you dont have to rely on pumped irrigation to grow crops.

I suggest Southern Ireland or The Scillies if you dont want to go too far. If you can find a house plus patch of land with a reliable stream running through it in the far west of Cornwall , thats almost as good. Cornwall is also best place to be in the UK for both wind power (blows from the west nearly all the time - even the trees grow sideways leaning towards London!) and solar water heating (highest average solar flux in the UK. ) A friend who lives in Cornwall gets scaldingly hot water from his German roof mounted solar heating system even in the middle of winter... all it takes is a bit of sunshine, even in December.

Personally I'm not that bothered about PO, it will be a crisis, but I think we'll muddle through... There is an enormous ammount of slack in the system as we currently run it. Cheap holidays flights to the Spanish Costas will be a thing of the past, and good riddance I say. Roll on the return to the bicycle and the bicycling holiday in the UK. A cyling tour of all the new nuclear power plants that are going to be built would be great fun.

Hmm... buying a bicycle retail and repair shop right now in a large town or city would be a smart investment move. It would do fantastic business over the next decade or so.

[JLefrere]

Right, sorry to resurrect this thread, but my computer's been out of action for a while and still is now. It's a shame because I was really getting into the campaign materials I was designing.

Anyway,

Clive said:

The other point I wish to make is, what makes you think that you will be able to relocate in 5-7 years? I am beginning to doubt if we have that much time.

I plan to move either at the end of my degree (next year) or a year after. 2006/2007 would be feasible I think. Air travel will be a lot more expensive (I believe $100/barrel will come in 2007), but my family wants to move as well and they can afford it.

For relocation to be successful you need to not only have setup base (which normally requires money), but also to have integrated...All of which is very daunting, but you can magnify this 10times when relocating aboard.

I doubt integration in that sense would be such a big problem; what matters to me is being able to get permanent residence quickly. I think me and the rest of my family will be able to do so, given their education and skills, it's just that I'll be doing this at 20 or 21 with very little past employment.

You then need to work with your new local community to get the peak oil message out, so that this community that you have just moved too is working in that same direction. One word of warning here is, that unless these people know about peak oil, you will have a very difficult time. As the newcomer you are not going to be too popular to start with?.. Now I would say that even relocating here in the UK, would take time and a hell of a lot of effort.

This is a good point, and something we would definitely not forget! Thanks a lot for the advice (or caution?) and we are going to press ahead with this much sooner than later. I'm just very glad my family is as aware of the problem as we are; I'm currently 19, so moving on my own would be very, very difficult!

[PowerswitchClive]

This is a good point, and something we would definitely not forget! Thanks a lot for the advice (or caution?) and we are going to press ahead with this much sooner than later. I'm just very glad my family is as aware of the problem as we are; I'm currently 19, so moving on my own would be very, very difficult!

Good luck, let us know how you get on

regards
Clive