What would be the trigger to bug-out of work/bug-in at home?

What changes can we make to our lives to deal with the economic and energy crises ahead? Have you already started making preparations? Got tips to share?

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mikepepler wrote:Interesting points. I guess the thing is to have something like a 'defcon level', so you know how jumpy you need to be.

For example, you could decide that in the current situation things are generally OK, but with plenty of warning signs on the horizon. But if a deadline for a Eurozone country defaulting was days away, or the rhetoric about oil sanctions on Iran and the Straits of Hormuz was increasing, then you might try and work from home when possible and when you have to go into a city for work you'd make sure to check the news every hour.
Yes, I have in effect a similar system, though "defcon" sounds too military.

Normal state of preparedness, no special precautions needed, just common sense.

Higher state of alert, whenever there is cause for concern, but little imediate danger. Examples include extreme weather such as the heavy snow of a few years ago, the threatened oil tankers strike, or the recent riots.
In such circumstances I would act at all times within the law, but might spend extra money, or forgo needless expense.
Example take a taxi rather than public transport in case of disorder.
Or go straight home, rather than via public house or restaurant.
Add to stocks of food etc, monitor news very frequently, even if means waking up twice during the night to so do.
Give up strong drink, and take beer only in moderation so as be ready for any emergency.
At work become more paranoid about locking up tools and supplies.
But still more or less BAU

Full state of alert (not yet declared)
In such circumstances, BAU has ended at least for a while, and I might consider breaking the law, for example by going armed, or by useing false indentities, or forged train tickets, or useing payment cards/cheques when I know they wont be honoured.
Would only go to work, if it served my interests rather than those of my employers.
Might falsely claim sickness in the hope of getting a few more weeks pay, without going to work.
If at work, change the locks to certain areas to keep things for myself.
If out of London on a planned visit, probably dont come back.
If in London consider leaving
Avoid consuming any stocks without good reason.
Set up emergency means of communication.
Eat up perishables in case the power fails.
Take as much cash out the banks as possible and spend it quick.

State of war or similarly serious emergency, hopefully unlikely.
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Regardless of the cause ( something most of us have no control over) have you got working operational plans to ensure your family reacts as required if TSHTF?

In my families case I can text or page them AB during a normal working day ( Alas Babylon, couldnt think of anything better so I nicked it from the book) or radio them via the Intek 50-50s they carry if there are times of high politican tension or severe weather events forcast.

All know where to go and what to do, and they also take small GHBs with em if things are a bit worrisome.
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Hi northernraider, what's in your get-home-bags?
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Snail wrote:Hi northernraider, what's in your get-home-bags?
Its almost like a BOB, or a BOB EDC bag hybrid.

Knife CS Voyager Tanto
Multi tool Gerber Multi plier
Mini Pry bar
Tactical flashlight / spare batteries
AM/FM radio /spare batteries
Silva type 4 compass
OS LR Map of area with multiple routes / threats marked on it
Lighter / Butane Torch
Water Bottle / Puri Tabs
Ration bars / Chocolate
MREs x 2
Spare specs / shades
Bandana
Tactical gloves
Soap bar
Tooth care kit / brush
Light sticks x 3
Survival blanket
Intek 50-50 10 & 11 meter Ham / CB handset/ spare batts, long aerial
Regatta Waterproof in a bag

Sometimes a telscopic walking pole as a SD TOOL

its part of a general set up for trips away from home, if I'm not wearing Cargos/ Soft shell/ approach shooes they are in the bag.

Wife has something similar, plus girly bits

Kids have less kit but more food and warm clothing to sustain them at agreed hidden meet up place near school.

External extra deployed as and when needed are likely to be small compound bow plus 20 arrows, fixed blade knife, rope.
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That's a pretty good list there NR.

If I may be so bold have you thought about adding a wind up torch and replacing the battery radio with a wind up version? I've also got Kendal Mint cake in mine with copies of my birth certificate etc. My spare specs live in a wide neck water bottle with the light sticks and tooth stuff in another. I'd also add a small First Aid kit.

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SleeperService wrote:That's a pretty good list there NR.

If I may be so bold have you thought about adding a wind up torch and replacing the battery radio with a wind up version? I've also got Kendal Mint cake in mine with copies of my birth certificate etc. My spare specs live in a wide neck water bottle with the light sticks and tooth stuff in another. I'd also add a small First Aid kit.

Welcome to PS by the way :D
Hey SS ta for the welcome, I see your point about wind up lights and radios but I keep them at home for non tactical issues like power cuts etc, I feel / believe that in a major crisis ( fire, flood, storm, war, terror attack, riots, civil unrest etc) high quality kit is paramount to maximise your chances of getting home. so my GHB/ EDC flashlights are high energy Lithium battery powered doofahs like Fenix L2D Q 5 flashlights and Roberts World band radios. I've got some Cyalume light sticks in the bags for the non high risk stuff.

I hate Kendal mint cake :) Got Jerky and Bisquits Fruit AB instead, I forgot i have a small FAK taped to a field dressing in the kit.
Thanks for sharing
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If I ever come across jerky again I'll swop for your Kendal Mint Cake :D
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SleeperService wrote:If I ever come across jerky again I'll swop for your Kendal Mint Cake :D
Hopefully if i get the dehydrator i want for my Birthday from Lakeland I can start making my own jerky !?
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Post by Kentucky Fried Panda »

Just how far are you going to travel that you need a Get Home Bag?

The cold steel voyager will get you arrested if you're stopped and searched.
Beyond good shoes and a good sized bottle of water, anything else is a luxury.
That list looks more like you're packing for a 48 hour patrol and frankly if that's your mindset you need to take a good look at yourself.
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I had that discussion with my eldest when he presented his GHB out of the blue. I reminded him that he knows this area like the back of his proverbial and is unlikely to ever be more than 4hrs walking from home even going across country.

He also has countless friends and family in the area who would do the necessary.

Perhaps your circumstances are different NR?

I certainly carry much of that list in the car and am well acquainted with the back roads and tracks hereabouts.
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JavaScriptDonkey wrote:I had that discussion with my eldest when he presented his GHB out of the blue. I reminded him that he knows this area like the back of his proverbial and is unlikely to ever be more than 4hrs walking from home even going across country.

He also has countless friends and family in the area who would do the necessary.

Perhaps your circumstances are different NR?

I certainly carry much of that list in the car and am well acquainted with the back roads and tracks hereabouts.
I and my wife both travel extensively, often via other preppers homes and small holdings, recently i have been to Salford, Aberystwith, Chester, Tyneside, Cumbernauld, York, and Hull, and if TSHTf it would take me more than 4 hours to walk home if I had to abandon the vehicle. Point of note only last week every major A & B road in this region was flooded or closed or gridlocked.

With respect as I'm new here I'll just ignore Mr Pandas waffle.
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Point of note only last week every major A & B road in this region was flooded or closed or gridlocked.
Good point. An example of the fact that you don't need a full-on SHTF scenario in order for preps to be useful.
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NR (and others); would you mind me asking, how have you got your family into the mindset? Is this something you've brought them up with? If not, at what point did you introduce it as a way of life, and what was their reaction?
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It's just always been that way. Whenever we were out as a family whatever we needed we always had access to.

I don't really flog the idea of TEOTAWKI but just push simple preparations. It has become so normal that not being a little bit prepared leaves everyone feeling slightly exposed.
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Tarrel wrote:NR (and others); would you mind me asking, how have you got your family into the mindset? Is this something you've brought them up with? If not, at what point did you introduce it as a way of life, and what was their reaction?
In my case it was simply playing on my wifes concerns about insurance, IE Darling if we have another winter like the one in 2010 will wil have enough supplies ( her car and my van were snowed in for over 10 days)
Also we only have a coop and the wife was fed up with a 14 mile drive to fight her way around Tesco, So I said lets start keeping more food, cleaning materials toiletries etc. We also talked about if she was out seeing patients and I was away seing clients and she broke down or something kicked off we needed a plan in place to ensure the kids got home safely.

However I've been into survivalism since 1979 , I got that way when I was posted to Germany in the army, So I was already of that nuclear war survival mind set when we got married and 35 years on we just sort of evolved from survivalists into preppers. It was helped by the fact we had friends in Kansas who were survivalists and their wife was heavily into preserving, and canning food stuff bought when cheap on offer to see them through troubled times. That impressed my wife.

Many preppers I know simply explain prepping as taking insurance to the next common sense level and most people who have a brain realise things in todays world are becoming ever more insecure and the only people who can help most families will be themselves.
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