We've a loud ticking / clicking noise coming from our stove now!
Not the usual gentle warming up tick you get but something much louder and regular....around every 2 to 3 seconds!
Oh shit. Hope it's not terminal!
Wood / Solid fuel burning stoves
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OK, so we removed the 1960's fireplace and now we're left with a big hole! We visited Clearview in Whitchurch and think we might get the stove from them (Vision 500). We got the chimney swept a couple of days ago and grilled the chimney sweep about the state of the chimney. He reckons it's in good nick (and this was confirmed by another person recently), he also gave us a couple of stories about chimneys that have been lined and only a few months later the flues were non-existant, he said that the soot had 'eaten away' the flues! He also said that in his opinion the chimney didn't need lining, and that if we fitted the stove, then found that we needed it lined for some reason, that it could be retro-fitted. We don't want to have it lined if it's an unnecessary expense, but on the other hand we don't want to do the job, then have to rip it all out again a few months later.
Another queston I'd like to ask - we're in a smoke control area and the guy at Clearview reckons that to fully comply we need some kind of factory-fitted smokeless baffle, which would come with a certificate to prove its smokelessness (sp) if we ever needed one to show to the local council. Do any of you guys have any knowledge about this.
And lastly (and thanks for reading this far) is it really necessary to get a HETAS registered person to do the fitting ie is it against the law to get the stove, flue etc. fitted by anyone other than a registered person?
Thanks.
Thanks
Another queston I'd like to ask - we're in a smoke control area and the guy at Clearview reckons that to fully comply we need some kind of factory-fitted smokeless baffle, which would come with a certificate to prove its smokelessness (sp) if we ever needed one to show to the local council. Do any of you guys have any knowledge about this.
And lastly (and thanks for reading this far) is it really necessary to get a HETAS registered person to do the fitting ie is it against the law to get the stove, flue etc. fitted by anyone other than a registered person?
Thanks.
Thanks
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RenewableCandy
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Haven't heard of a factory-fitted baffle (we have a Clearview 400, which got its Smokeless papers the very day we had it fitted 
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HETAS is something new too: but our fitters have those certs so we didn't really have to worry. Chimney-lining: we didn't have it at our previous house (fitting in 2004) but did have it (for the same type of house and the same individual stove!) in 2007 this house.
In other words, the laws seem to change very quickly!
).HETAS is something new too: but our fitters have those certs so we didn't really have to worry. Chimney-lining: we didn't have it at our previous house (fitting in 2004) but did have it (for the same type of house and the same individual stove!) in 2007 this house.
In other words, the laws seem to change very quickly!
Our house here is 60 years old and I had so called competent folk say the chimney is ok ie, no leaks, no signs of smoke coming thru the walls etc. But I fitted a liner anyway for peace of mind, for completeness, to remove any doubt about the state of the chimney and the stove would perform more efficiently with it.
Also, it removed the hassle of having to narrow the chimney just above the closure plate to enable the backflow of unburnt creosote back towards the stove pipe. The flue liner just seemed a more simple solution to that problem and all round generally really.
If you're burning smokeless fuel you can get a 904/316 liner for around ?20 a mtre (plus vat). Add on about another ?70 for other flue liner related bits and bobs. And that particular grade of line is guaranteed 20 years.
If a flue liner has burnt away within months of installation (which is quite amazing) then I'd suspect fitness for purpose. eg. pure 316 stainless liner is not suitable for smokeless fuel. So it depends under what circumstances that flue was used.
I'm not HETAS but I did it myself. I'd consider myself a competent person and did everything by the book (the building regs are freely available if you need a guide). You can get your local Buildings Control fella to sign it off afterwards if you want. It will cost ya mind. But from what I've heard, half don't have a clue anyway with respect to this particular item.
Have Clearview recommended you use a liner?
I'm not advocating any one particular method over the other. But you're doing the right thing here by asking for the opinion of others so you can make you're own mind up. Good luck with it.
Also, it removed the hassle of having to narrow the chimney just above the closure plate to enable the backflow of unburnt creosote back towards the stove pipe. The flue liner just seemed a more simple solution to that problem and all round generally really.
If you're burning smokeless fuel you can get a 904/316 liner for around ?20 a mtre (plus vat). Add on about another ?70 for other flue liner related bits and bobs. And that particular grade of line is guaranteed 20 years.
If a flue liner has burnt away within months of installation (which is quite amazing) then I'd suspect fitness for purpose. eg. pure 316 stainless liner is not suitable for smokeless fuel. So it depends under what circumstances that flue was used.
I'm not HETAS but I did it myself. I'd consider myself a competent person and did everything by the book (the building regs are freely available if you need a guide). You can get your local Buildings Control fella to sign it off afterwards if you want. It will cost ya mind. But from what I've heard, half don't have a clue anyway with respect to this particular item.
Have Clearview recommended you use a liner?
I'm not advocating any one particular method over the other. But you're doing the right thing here by asking for the opinion of others so you can make you're own mind up. Good luck with it.
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RenewableCandy
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Hi all,
I have a Hunter Hearld 8 installed in the living room and have experimented cooking on it to no avail. I'm looking at possibly installing a stove/cooker in the kitchen. Due to limited space a range type cooker will take up too much space and the house is timber frame super insulated (any stove in the kitchen will over heat the room) I?m looking for a smallish stove with integral oven or a flat top type which can boil water sufficiently as the Hunter is unable to do so. Any suggestions?
I have a Hunter Hearld 8 installed in the living room and have experimented cooking on it to no avail. I'm looking at possibly installing a stove/cooker in the kitchen. Due to limited space a range type cooker will take up too much space and the house is timber frame super insulated (any stove in the kitchen will over heat the room) I?m looking for a smallish stove with integral oven or a flat top type which can boil water sufficiently as the Hunter is unable to do so. Any suggestions?
Shay, have a look at these.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nectre-Multi-Fuel ... dZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WOODBURNER-with-O ... dZViewItem
http://www.pevexenterprises.co.uk/ViewM ... PVCode=588
No association with those sellers. Don't know what the stoves are like but is that the general idea of what u r after?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nectre-Multi-Fuel ... dZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WOODBURNER-with-O ... dZViewItem
http://www.pevexenterprises.co.uk/ViewM ... PVCode=588
No association with those sellers. Don't know what the stoves are like but is that the general idea of what u r after?
I haven't m8.
Yeah, I guess some stoves of this type may well be just warmers as you say. You could really do with an experienced opinion for which I sadly can't offer.
But, that Nectre bakers oven does look if it's up to the job but they are made in Oz. Nothing against Australia but the shipping costs!!!!!
Maybe there's a UK importer.
Here's the Nectre site anyway....
http://www.nectre.com/index.php?page=baker-s-oven
You could always ask the ebay seller a question about the stove, if that helps.
edit: there is a .co.uk based near Bristol by the looks of it.
ATR Services
6 Windmill Bsns Pk, Kenn,
Clevedon,
BS21 6SR -
Tel: (01275) 541771, office hours
Mob: 07850 212209 anytime.
They seem to be about $2000 AUS which is about ?930-ish. Give 'em a ring tomorrow for a price. Let us know how you do. Quite fancy one of those myself!!!
Yeah, I guess some stoves of this type may well be just warmers as you say. You could really do with an experienced opinion for which I sadly can't offer.
But, that Nectre bakers oven does look if it's up to the job but they are made in Oz. Nothing against Australia but the shipping costs!!!!!
Maybe there's a UK importer.
Here's the Nectre site anyway....
http://www.nectre.com/index.php?page=baker-s-oven
You could always ask the ebay seller a question about the stove, if that helps.
edit: there is a .co.uk based near Bristol by the looks of it.
ATR Services
6 Windmill Bsns Pk, Kenn,
Clevedon,
BS21 6SR -
Tel: (01275) 541771, office hours
Mob: 07850 212209 anytime.
They seem to be about $2000 AUS which is about ?930-ish. Give 'em a ring tomorrow for a price. Let us know how you do. Quite fancy one of those myself!!!
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Dan McNeil
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Shay,
Check out the Scan 4 (also comes with a single front door). Scan are very well built and high quality stoves.
http://www.scan.dk/page/195?selected_id=40&idx=#40
Also rather nice is the Hwam Classic 4. Comes with a cooking section:
http://www.euroheat.co.uk/showroom.php? ... &csss=Hwam
and without (just hotplates): http://www.euroheat.co.uk/showroom.php? ... &csss=Hwam
Most Hwams have a rather nifty automatic system - just set the output you want, and the stove compensates for the amount of fuel.
Check out the Scan 4 (also comes with a single front door). Scan are very well built and high quality stoves.
http://www.scan.dk/page/195?selected_id=40&idx=#40
Also rather nice is the Hwam Classic 4. Comes with a cooking section:
http://www.euroheat.co.uk/showroom.php? ... &csss=Hwam
and without (just hotplates): http://www.euroheat.co.uk/showroom.php? ... &csss=Hwam
Most Hwams have a rather nifty automatic system - just set the output you want, and the stove compensates for the amount of fuel.
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Dan McNeil
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Compo - hopefully, your ticking Dunsley is a false alarm and all is well?
Saw a Dunsley Yorkshire this weekend in a showroom. Bloody hell, what a beast. Not my cup of tea appearance-wise, but a carved-from-granite kind of solidity, and some quality materials (e.g. the chromed steel ash plates). Made the Statford boiler stove sitting next to it look cheap and lightweight.
You asked how it was going with me. Well, we have an old, small cottage. No gas, just storage heaters and an open fire. We want a stove to space heat a good part of the cottage, plus heat the DHW, and, like Mr E, we spent AGES on research. Brochures clogging up the cottage, that kind of thing.
I'm now an official Stove Bore.
We desperately wanted a contemporary stove, but the only 2 with boiler options that we can see are 1) the Firebelly FB2, which is crap. Nice looking stove, lovely big window, but in the metal a horrible finish and uneven panel gaps - if it were a car it'd be an early Land Rover Discovery. Plus, I did some ringing around, and at least 2 dealers mentioned they'd more than once received a duff Firebelly which had to be sent back to the manufacturer.
Option 2 was the Hwam Monet with boiler, but it's a) too big for the room and b) costs rather too much, lovely though it is.
So, after much hunting, I accidentally chanced across the Clearview Solution 500. Not the standard 500, but the 500 SB. So new, it's not yet in the latest Clearview brochure, or even on the website. Saw the standard Solution 500 in the brochure, and, like a drowning man, thought it looked like a definite maybe.
Phoned Clearview to ask if it had a boiler. No, was the reply, but we have a new model, the 500 SB, which looks the same as the standard 500, but has a 10,000 BTU boiler. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, is enough to heat DHW plus (possibly) a radiator (sited in the bathroom).
It's not a genuine contemporary look, like some of the Scans and Hwams, but being a convector model (which was another tick that had to be gained), it has some fancy slots in the side panels. Plus, it can be ordered with even fancier stainless steel side convection panels, which gives it an intriguing old meets new look.
In fact, the more I look at it the 500 SB, the more I like it. Neither old fashioned nor contemporary in appearance - if it were a car, it'd be a modern Bristol. Discreet, enigmatic and timeless.
Saw a Dunsley Yorkshire this weekend in a showroom. Bloody hell, what a beast. Not my cup of tea appearance-wise, but a carved-from-granite kind of solidity, and some quality materials (e.g. the chromed steel ash plates). Made the Statford boiler stove sitting next to it look cheap and lightweight.
You asked how it was going with me. Well, we have an old, small cottage. No gas, just storage heaters and an open fire. We want a stove to space heat a good part of the cottage, plus heat the DHW, and, like Mr E, we spent AGES on research. Brochures clogging up the cottage, that kind of thing.
I'm now an official Stove Bore.
We desperately wanted a contemporary stove, but the only 2 with boiler options that we can see are 1) the Firebelly FB2, which is crap. Nice looking stove, lovely big window, but in the metal a horrible finish and uneven panel gaps - if it were a car it'd be an early Land Rover Discovery. Plus, I did some ringing around, and at least 2 dealers mentioned they'd more than once received a duff Firebelly which had to be sent back to the manufacturer.
Option 2 was the Hwam Monet with boiler, but it's a) too big for the room and b) costs rather too much, lovely though it is.
So, after much hunting, I accidentally chanced across the Clearview Solution 500. Not the standard 500, but the 500 SB. So new, it's not yet in the latest Clearview brochure, or even on the website. Saw the standard Solution 500 in the brochure, and, like a drowning man, thought it looked like a definite maybe.
Phoned Clearview to ask if it had a boiler. No, was the reply, but we have a new model, the 500 SB, which looks the same as the standard 500, but has a 10,000 BTU boiler. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, is enough to heat DHW plus (possibly) a radiator (sited in the bathroom).
It's not a genuine contemporary look, like some of the Scans and Hwams, but being a convector model (which was another tick that had to be gained), it has some fancy slots in the side panels. Plus, it can be ordered with even fancier stainless steel side convection panels, which gives it an intriguing old meets new look.
In fact, the more I look at it the 500 SB, the more I like it. Neither old fashioned nor contemporary in appearance - if it were a car, it'd be a modern Bristol. Discreet, enigmatic and timeless.
Chilli Penguin?Shay wrote:Thanks Compo,
Have you used any of these. The bakers oven/stove looks like it would certainly work with the firebox below the the oven section. I just wonder if any of the other types i've come a cross are just food warmers as opposed to serious cookers.
http://www.chillipenguin.co.uk/index.html
Jim
For every complex problem, there is a simple answer, and it's wrong.
"Heaven and earth are ruthless, and treat the myriad creatures as straw dogs" (Lao Tzu V.i).
For every complex problem, there is a simple answer, and it's wrong.
"Heaven and earth are ruthless, and treat the myriad creatures as straw dogs" (Lao Tzu V.i).
I know I should have said firebox above the oven section.. I should stop my habit of having a drink while browsing forums.. anyway back to my original question has anyone any experience of cooking/or baking on any of these chilli penguin etc stove ovens.....I must say the Bakers Oven looks the business I emailed the Australian manufacturer for a shipping cost but still have not got no reply.SunnyJim wrote:Chilli Penguin?Shay wrote:Thanks Compo,
Have you used any of these. The bakers oven/stove looks like it would certainly work with the firebox below the the oven section. I just wonder if any of the other types i've come a cross are just food warmers as opposed to serious cookers.
http://www.chillipenguin.co.uk/index.html