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This blog has a refreshingly frank take on 'collapse'.

For example: https://www.okdoomer.io/its-not-going-to-get-better-2/

On prepping: https://www.okdoomer.io/how-to-prepare- ... n-asshole/

Very gloomy stuff.

i was brought up in the era of Dan Dare, the Moon Landings, the arrival of the Web.

I'm not sure I will like a slide into a post-fun world .. especially as we will know that the rich and powerful will still be living a life of plenty.

Gloomy, but a lot of accurate observations I think. I read a few pages and will be reading some more.

The views on slow collapse seem credible.

clv101 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2023, 12:01 This blog has a refreshingly frank take on 'collapse'.

For example: https://www.okdoomer.io/its-not-going-to-get-better-2/

On prepping: https://www.okdoomer.io/how-to-prepare- ... n-asshole/

Nice link. I found the "get a baseball bat...get pepper spray" comment pretty interesting...no guns. The time peak oilers wasted dreaming up gun scenarios and how they would hide their homemade claymore mines was ludicrous...thankfully peppy prepper doomers don't seem as inherently desiring guns and ammo as those who are just blogging on some slow spindown.

I'm interested in how previous civilisations collapsed. Did they go fast or slow? Archaeological records are a bit repetitive here, they almost always indicate fast, but are they reliable?

Soylent Green gets mentioned a lot.

Seems a bit sensationalist to my liking.

mr brightside wrote: ↑05 Oct 2023, 06:57 I'm interested in how previous civilisations collapsed. Did they go fast or slow? Archaeological records are a bit repetitive here, they almost always indicate fast, but are they reliable?

The book on that topic is Collapse by Jared Diamond.

The answer to your question is that each one was different. Completely different. The Roman Empire took 300 years to collapse. The Greenland Norse took about 50. The entire bronze age world collapsed in less than a century.

Historically, most civilisations didn't collapse at all. They were conquered by somebody else. Except even that is misleading -- the Romans were technically conquered by Germanic tribes, but that was only possible because the Roman army was no longer fit for purpose, because of massive internal corruption. And you could just as easily argue that the Roman empire was brought down by Christianity.

We're all inter-connected - Americans, Chinese, Africans, Arabs, Indians and there's 8,000,000,000 of us and counting...
The days of us Brits having an 'island mentality' and keeping jonny foreigners out at Dover are well over...
Once one area suffers a significant collapse, we all will...

Mark wrote: ↑06 Oct 2023, 16:09 We're all inter-connected - Americans, Chinese, Africans, Arabs, Indians and there's 8,000,000,000 of us and counting...
The days of us Brits having an 'island mentality' and keeping jonny foreigners out at Dover are well over...
Once one area suffers a significant collapse, we all will...

Depends on the "why". Let's say every Australian tomorrow morning decides to commit suicide, and the entire country except for the aborigines who weren't so developed world silly, dies. Complete collapse.

What will stop happening that causes collapse elsewhere? Some folks will lack natural gas somewhere? Which the US will be happy to supply instead, Russia as well. China lacks some coal, and has to build solar panels faster? Maybe the US and Russia will have to up their wheat production to make up for a shortage somewhere?

I would venture that some places could collapse completely, and that doesn't mean the rest will.

John Michael Greer’s concept of ‘Catabolic Collapse’ from the old Archdruid’s Report seems to have some useful insights on this.

“Ever since my original paper on catabolic collapse first found its way onto the internet, I’ve fielded questions fairly regularly from people who want to know whether I think some current or imminent crisis will tip industrial society over into catabolic collapse in some unmistakably catastrophic way. It’s a fair question, but it’s based on a fundamental misreading both of the concept of catabolic collapse and of our present place in the long cycles of rise and fall that define the history of civilizations.”

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2011 ... -collapse/

He has closed his old blog The Archdruid’s Report, though archives of its entirety can be found online, but has made most of its content available in print or e-book formats:

https://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com ... d.html?m=1