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Covid-19 and conspiracy theories

Posted: 22 May 2020, 23:19
by UndercoverElephant
I thought this might be best in a thread on its own. Long article, but well worth reading if you can spare the time and are interested in the topic.

https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/th ... racy-myth/
The Conspiracy Myth
May 2020

The other day I was amused to read a critique of The Coronation in which the author was absolutely certain that I am a closet conspiracy theorist. He was so persuasive that I myself almost believed it.

What is a conspiracy theory anyway? Sometimes the term is deployed against anyone who questions authority, dissents from dominant paradigms, or thinks that hidden interests influence our leading institutions. As such, it is a way to quash dissent and bully those trying to stand up to abuses of power. One needn’t abandon critical thinking to believe that powerful institutions sometimes collude, conspire, cover up, and are corrupt. If that is what is meant by a conspiracy theory, obviously some of those theories are true. Does anyone remember Enron? Iran-Contra? COINTELPRO? Vioxx? Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?

During the time of Covid-19, another level of conspiracy theory has risen to prominence that goes way beyond specific stories of collusion and corruption to posit conspiracy as a core explanatory principle for how the world works. Fuelled by the authoritarian response to the pandemic (justifiable or not, lockdown, quarantine, surveillance and tracking, censorship of misinformation, suspension of freedom of assembly and other civil liberties, and so on are indeed authoritarian), this arch-conspiracy theory holds that an evil, power-hungry cabal of insiders deliberately created the pandemic or is at least ruthlessly exploiting it to frighten the public into accepting a totalitarian world government under permanent medical martial law, a New World Order (NWO). Furthermore, this evil group, this illuminati, pulls the strings of all major governments, corporations, the United Nations, the WHO, the CDC, the media, the intelligence services, the banks, and the NGOs. In other words, they say, everything we are told is a lie, and the world is in the grip of evil.

So what do I think about that theory? I think it is a myth. And what is a myth? A myth is not the same thing as a fantasy or a delusion. Myths are vehicles of truth, and that truth needn’t be literal. The classical Greek myths, for example, seem like mere amusements until one decodes them by associating each god with psychosocial forces. In this way, myths bring light to the shadows and reveal what has been repressed. They take a truth about the psyche or society and form it into a story. The truth of a myth does not depend on whether it is objectively verifiable. That is one reason why, in The Coronation, I said my purpose is neither to advocate nor to debunk the conspiracy narrative, but rather to look at what it illuminates. It is, after all, neither provable nor falsifiable.

What is true about the conspiracy myth? Underneath its literalism, it conveys important information that we ignore at great peril.....

Posted: 05 Jul 2020, 10:50
by Catweazle
There's a good program on BBC right now about this. The stats are worrying.

22% of 16-24 yr olds believe there is a link between 5G and Covid19. 8% of English as a whole believe it.

Incredible.

Posted: 05 Jul 2020, 11:07
by Catweazle
These figures must reflect the widespread distrust of government.

Posted: 05 Jul 2020, 13:33
by fuzzy
Or a healthy sceptism.

High voltage EM and cancer. Who remembers that? Power utilities spend decades 'looking' for the link between pylons and cancer clusters. Great PR for them, and no results found according to the useless 'ferguson' type wonks.
Right at the end of the research, a researcher found that if you recorded micro climate data [say 100 metres from the pylon] then the correlation worked. It turns out that HV ac charged the pollution blowing over the lines and it sticks in your lungs etc. Within weeks no reports were mentioned anywhere, and it's never been mentioned since. Why is that??

If you start accusing people who believe that the far fetched could be true, of being unscientific, then you have fallen in the trap.

Posted: 05 Jul 2020, 16:07
by Catweazle
fuzzy wrote:Or a healthy sceptism.

High voltage EM and cancer. Who remembers that? Power utilities spend decades 'looking' for the link between pylons and cancer clusters. Great PR for them, and no results found according to the useless 'ferguson' type wonks.
Right at the end of the research, a researcher found that if you recorded micro climate data [say 100 metres from the pylon] then the correlation worked. It turns out that HV ac charged the pollution blowing over the lines and it sticks in your lungs etc. Within weeks no reports were mentioned anywhere, and it's never been mentioned since. Why is that??

If you start accusing people who believe that the far fetched could be true, of being unscientific, then you have fallen in the trap.
Your point about pollution is entirely plausible, the HV could cause fine pollution to clump together and settle, just as a room ioniser does. The fact that 22% of a young demographic believe there is a link between 5G and Covid19 is a very different story.

Posted: 05 Jul 2020, 21:15
by Little John
People do not trust "experts" anymore because they have sussed, quite correctly, that such "experts" are trained by and get their money from political classes that ever more transparently no longer serve their interests. Or, from private organizations that never served their interests.

Does this mean that such mistrust ends up throwing the baby out with the bathwater in terms of trust? Yes, it does and that is not a good thing, obviously.

However, what has been sown is now being reaped.

Posted: 26 Jul 2020, 14:13
by adam2
Perhaps we should start a new story.

"Exclusive !!! could covid be spread by aircraft ?"

Aircraft are allowed to fly RIGHT OVER nursery schools, playgroups and parks that are FULL OF CHILDREN.

Mumsnet to call for a precautionary ban on flying over facilities used by children.

"More research needed, but initial findings suggest that almost everyone who has died from Covid has been exposed to aircraft. They fly RIGHT OVER children's homes, without any warning or consultation."

"Make Islington a plane free borough"

Posted: 26 Jul 2020, 14:53
by fuzzy
We certainly get better UK weather when the planes are mainly grounded.