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I am a bit concerned that we haven't heard from VT for a while. I have tried a PM and emailing him but not got a reply. Hope he hasn't circumbed to covid or anything else for that metter.
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He has made a couple of posts at peakoil. Com, assuming he is the same vtsnowedin. I must just assume he finally tired of the constant sniping around here
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Going off on a tangent somewhat I was listening on a workplace phone in and someone said that the total volume of Coronavirus material on the planet at any one time has been estimated to be 150 millilitres. Quite a lot of trouble from such a small amount of substance don't you think.
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All the European countries which suspended AZ vaccinations have decided to restart using it, except Sweden, who is still thinking about it
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The French third wave is partly driven by the SA variant. Currently running at 5-10% of 30,000 new cases a day in France. Only a matter of time
before it gets a foothold in the UK, and being partially resistant to current vaccines, will quickly take hold as the UK begins to open up over the summer.

The question is , do the vaccines prevent serious disease or death with this variant? Early studies are too small to give an answer. Scientist consensus is that they should, but the vaccines are least effective at generating anti-bodies in the oldest cohorts, and these are the most likely to die.

This pandemic is a long way from over.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... l-ferguson
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https://www.rt.com/op-ed/518596-canada- ... 1hKifOThko
"...The Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms has been active in challenging the government both on quarantine hotels and on tickets issued to citizens for alleged violations of public health orders. The centre is also disseminating resources for Canadians to know their rights regarding Covid measures.

Liberty Coalition Canada was formed after Covid restrictions were brought in. The coalition is a “national network of clergymen, elected officials, small business owners, legal experts and other concerned citizens” that now has a number of sub-groups addressing specific aspects of the measures Canada has taken.

These include the social media campaign Save Our Youth, Reopen Ontario Churches, and the End the Lockdowns Caucus. The latter comprises a number of current and former elected representatives who came together in February “resolved to ensure there is open, honest, and public debate regarding the Covid government response.”

This body espouses what many ordinary Canadians have been feeling: “After careful examination and scrutiny of mitigation measures undertaken by all levels of government, it is now evident that the lockdowns cause more harm than the virus and must be brought to an end.”
Likewise, the newly-formed Professionals Against Lockdowns – already listing over 100 professionals, including doctors, nurses, healthcare professionals, legal experts, police and teachers – aims to provide “evidence-based, scientific research that will educate and empower the public.”
Noting the widespread censorship of any dissenting voices on issues Covid, its statement reads: “It is our professional duty to protect the public, our communities, and our children. We will advocate for what is right and speak up against harm. Together, we will continue to be the voice for the voiceless to ensure that the truth about these lockdowns is heard.

“The government's response has lacked a risk variant analysis on all our populations. We are seeing the harm being done first-hand. We know lockdowns, isolation of healthy individuals, and the violation of our rights are causing more harm than good.”
And likewise, noting that Canada's policies are not based on solid science, the recently formed Canadian Doctors Speaking Out stated: “The current government measures regarding COVID are not supported by evidence-based medical research and many of these measures are harmful to individuals, families and society in general.”

The alliance calls on the government to stop promoting not only lockdowns, mask-wearing and physical distancing, but still more supposedly necessary Covid measures, including cleaning surfaces with toxic disinfectants and the quarantining of asymptomatic people.
And they also say (another statement I would wager many Canadians would agree with): “Our goal is to halt the misuse of power by politicized public health ‘experts’ currently being conveyed through damaging Covid-19 public health policies that are destroying Canadian society and the health of Canadians.”

Dissenting Voices Know Science, Too!

We are told to follow the science (and not question it), but as more people ask exactly what science it is that we're following, it is encouraging to see these coalitions of doctors and other experts together addressing the absurdities and dangers of lockdowns and related Covid measures.
Their combined knowledge is based on science, and I'm much more comfortable following their advice, rather than that which has ruined lives over the past year, and promises to damage more.

What of the science of Toronto's Medical Officer of Health? Might her husband's vested financial interests in Pfizer and AstraZeneca impact some of her decisions?

And there's the idiotic advice of Canada’s Chief Public Health Officer, Theresa Tam, who suggested wearing a mask while having sex.
Or the Albertan Covid vaccine task force buffoon, who clearly wasn't accustomed to wearing the mask his task force promotes (a must-see performance!).

Meanwhile, professionals with science-based opinions that counter the hoops Canadians have had to jump through have been ostracized by the mainstream media (CBC cut off one such professional, Dr. Joel Kettner, in mid-sentence), censored by social media platforms, and essentially rendered invisible to Canadians, denying the public the possibility of hearing anyone’s professional thoughts on Covid other than the government’s.
To those in Canada who have felt isolated and helpless, you're not alone, and now you have access to legal resources to fight the government's unnecessary and truly dangerous policies. "
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PS_RalphW wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:56 pm The French third wave is partly driven by the SA variant. Currently running at 5-10% of 30,000 new cases a day in France. Only a matter of time
before it gets a foothold in the UK, and being partially resistant to current vaccines, will quickly take hold as the UK begins to open up over the summer.

The question is , do the vaccines prevent serious disease or death with this variant? Early studies are too small to give an answer. Scientist consensus is that they should, but the vaccines are least effective at generating anti-bodies in the oldest cohorts, and these are the most likely to die.

This pandemic is a long way from over.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... l-ferguson
Either you really are a genuine moron or you are a shill. I mean, nobody can be that stupid, surely?

What is wrong with you?
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From Dimitry Orlov:

"The first 2020 mortality data to come in is from Scandinavia and they conclusively prove that there was no coronavirus pandemic. A pandemic is where a new, statistically significant source of mortality is added on top of existing, normal mortality. This didn't happen. Oh, and it didn't make any difference that Sweden didn't have any lockdowns at all and pretty much just ignored the whole thing."

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So LJ, some ultra right and left political groups and a bunch of religious extremists in Canada are getting uppity and Russia Today is reporting it! Is that the data that we have to produce? Most people here would give RT as much credibility as you give the BBC.

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Little John wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:02 am From Dimitry Orlov:

"The first 2020 mortality data to come in is from Scandinavia and they conclusively prove that there was no coronavirus pandemic. A pandemic is where a new, statistically significant source of mortality is added on top of existing, normal mortality. This didn't happen. Oh, and it didn't make any difference that Sweden didn't have any lockdowns at all and pretty much just ignored the whole thing."

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Once again, no link to a source for this artwork. So, I searched and found it on the facebook "KeepBritainFree" pages.

https://www.facebook.com/KeepBritainFre ... 8745435971

There's no source on there either, but some of the KeepBritainFree members are less than convinced of its authenticity:
Thomas Sandford
This chart is a lie. 2020 has the highest figure for Swedish deaths in the decade as clearly shown by the real figures here:
https://www.statista.com/.../525353/swe ... of-deaths/
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He NEVER shows sources unless its MSM. All his data / graphs are never available to find. He has been caught out doctoring graphs quite a few times. Simon Dolan does not share anything, and has a plan which is the opposite of what you think. A man under investigation and haemorrhaging money
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And we do have sources and proof
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Now Sweden has a record excess death figure, is locking down hard and regrets not doing it before
I didn't have any luck with that link on the FB page, but the posts are a couple of months old, so it's probably expired.
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Here's the link referred to by the individual pointing out that the graph is false, now working. I must have copied it wrongly earlier.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... RzCfRYhnBQ
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The source is Dimitry Orlov. It is from his own post
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Little John wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:16 pm The source is Dimitry Orlov. It is from his own post
Indeed, you do realise he claims the moon landings were faked?
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Little John wrote: Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:16 pm The source is Dimitry Orlov. It is from his own post
A link would be useful.
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