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Vortex2 wrote: Does that make sense?

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No, because the 80% is the infected total population. Different to the much smaller case population (diagnosed, admitted for treatment).

I have a friend who is a care home nurse. They already have issues with unwell family visitors infecting the residents with their germs. To keep them safe during a pandemic, they will have to ban family visits.
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PS_RalphW wrote:Two more UK cases. I am concerned that I shared lunch yesterday with a teacher fresh back from North Italy

School in Derbyshire closed of case from Italy. Other case from Teneriffe.
There you are cv101, an example of someone not self-isolating.

Would you keep us updated Ralph?
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Vortex, referring your long post about the CDC. The CDC is partly if not largely funded by the pharmaceutical industry. It promotes mandatory vaccination, and owns several vaccine patents. These vaccines have not stopped the incidence of disease in the US, and in some cases they are causing common adverse reactions (DTAP is one example). The 9% cut is unlikely to make much difference. What could make a lot of difference is for the food industry to put people before profits and stop trying to poison the population, and the same can be said for the pharmaceutical industry.

Bear in mind when the doctors in the US went on strike, the death rate went down.. So could the reduction in funding have a similar effect? There is no proof that it won’t.
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woodburner wrote: referring your long post about the CDC. The CDC is partly if not largely funded by the pharmaceutical industry. It promotes mandatory vaccination
We have a 'anti vaxxer' on the forum!
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I try to keep an open mind on the pro and cons of vaccs. It is definitely money driven. The drive for a polio jab made sense. The drive for an annual flu jab is bollox. Are there less people with flu every year than before Don Rumsfeld's company started lobbying for them? Do they have less symptoms? Unless I have collected my own data, or first principles calculation, I know nothing.
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stumuz1 wrote:
woodburner wrote: referring your long post about the CDC. The CDC is partly if not largely funded by the pharmaceutical industry. It promotes mandatory vaccination
We have a 'anti vaxxer' on the forum!
Indeed, and such views are acceptable, when relevant to the discussion and expressed in a reasoned way.
This thread is about the coronavirus, and discussing the merits or otherwise of a vaccine against the virus is fine.
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woodburner wrote:
How many deaths are there for the over 60s in previous years?
Vortex2 is only considering excess COVID deaths here.
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adam2 wrote:
stumuz1 wrote:
woodburner wrote: referring your long post about the CDC. The CDC is partly if not largely funded by the pharmaceutical industry. It promotes mandatory vaccination
We have a 'anti vaxxer' on the forum!
Indeed, and such views are acceptable, when relevant to the discussion and expressed in a reasoned way.
This thread is about the coronavirus, and discussing the merits or otherwise of a vaccine against the virus is fine.
There has been discussion elsewhere - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwJ5thwr4C8 - suggesting that a secondary infection could be far more dangerous. If that's the case, that complicates vaccine development no end.
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woodburner wrote:
clv101 wrote:
Snail wrote:... and the ridiculous suggestions about self-isolation.
How so? It's an effective way to slow spread.
Only if people “self-isolate�. IMO that won't happen in many cases. How will most people manage to do that anyway? Most people won’t be storing a month’s supplies. Come to that, most people won’t have excessive effects from the virus anyway. Wuhan, population 11,000,000. Number of cases 60,000,that’s around 0.5%. Death rate from those with confirmed virus, 8%.
Yes, sensible people squirraling away with food and actually isolating themselves is one thing. The government merely suggesting people do it is stupid. Like hundreds queing upfor facemasks in s.korea. or the hotel, cruise ship, 'deep-cleaning' of streets, or self-isolating in a shared house while using a common bathroom, and so on.
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adam2 wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:So it looks like the messaging is changing fast.

Today is the big prep day for me. I will be visiting all three of the big local supermarkets to stock up on absolutely everything.
Do please report how this goes. Empty shelves, or ample stocks ? Any restrictions on volumes purchased ? Stores unusually busy, or just another day ?
Just another day. The panic won't start until we get cases popping up all over the place and football games being played behind closed doors.
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Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:
woodburner wrote:
How many deaths are there for the over 60s in previous years?
Vortex2 is only considering excess COVID deaths here.
Excess winter deaths in a cold year are ~30-40,000 so we're looking at something an order of magnitude higher impact.

Will it die down here in the European summer? How sensitive to temperature, humidity and UV was SARS?
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All Japanese schools closed down for a month:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... month.html

You really do have to wonder where this is going. It is going to happen in other countries too. All schools, all universities, shut down for the forseeable future. All large gatherings of people either cancelled or held for the TV cameras only. And it could be like this for the next 18 months.
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Alcohol hand cleanser had sold out in Tescos. So I'll make my own, per the recipe mentioned a few pages back.

A worker at Aldi apologised for blocking the aisle with a huge pallet of loo rolls. I said I was just grateful to find full stocks. He said the past weekend had been mental. He 'didn't believe it' (no, it wasn't Victor Meldrew) with the number of cleared shelves, as they don't replenish them on Sundays.

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I found it was quite difficult to panic buy, what with both arms waving about, while steering a (most likely infected) shopping cart about at a frantic pace on my manic trolley dash. You can get through the checkout real quick, as people warily keep their distance, or run away from you. The respirator, goggles and shower cap and marigold gloves worked quite well in maintaining 'social isolation'.

Going for bulk, all the cans are multiples of 12, 24, 36. Simply pull one from each cardboard tray as you collect them, to quickly go through the till. The checkout staff are happy too - having probably served a few preppers by now - as they are paid efficiency bonuses based on tonnage and value. Had to watch for the cops on the way home, what with the car exceeding its permitted kerb weight in ravioli, tuna and spam, but needs really must. 8)
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clv101 wrote:
Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:
woodburner wrote:
How many deaths are there for the over 60s in previous years?
Vortex2 is only considering excess COVID deaths here.
Excess winter deaths in a cold year are ~30-40,000 so we're looking at something an order of magnitude higher impact.

Will it die down here in the European summer? How sensitive to temperature, humidity and UV was SARS?
Singapore could be the answer to that. Is it their expertise and efficiency in contract tracing, or is it the heat...
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Tenerife - no lessons learned from the Diamond Princess.

Graun rolling news -
they are just not able to enforce quarantine conditions. People are able to walk around the buildings and some are even going in the pool. People are walking about and interacting with each other and not wearing masks. They served a buffet-style dinner last night, and people were milling about without masks, touching utensils - the virus is bound to spread.
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