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2008 - Peak globalisation

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 19:38
by Lord Beria3
https://www.ft.com/content/87bb0eda-736 ... 72cdb1043a
An analysis from the Peterson Institute for International Economics argues that ratios of world trade to output have been flat since 2008, making this the longest period of such stagnation since the second world war. According to Global Trade Alert, even the volume of world trade stagnated between January 2015 and March 2016, though the world economy continued to grow. The stock of cross-border financial assets peaked at 57 per cent of global output in 2007, falling to 36 per cent by 2015. Finally, inflows of foreign direct investment have remained well below the 3.3 per cent of world output attained in 2007, though the stock continues to rise, albeit slowly, relative to output.

Thus, the impetus towards further economic integration has stalled and in some respects gone into reverse. Globalisation is no longer driving world growth. If this process is indeed coming to an end, or even going into reverse, it would not be the first time since the industrial revolution, in the early 19th century. Another period of globalisation, in an era of empires, occurred in the late 19th century. The first world war ended this and the Great Depression destroyed it. A principal focus of US economic and foreign policy after 1945 was to recreate the global economy, but this time among sovereign states and guided by international economic institutions. If Donald Trump, who has embraced protectionism and denigrated global institutions, were to be elected president in November, it would be a repudiation of a central thrust of postwar US policy.

Given the historical record and the current politics of trade, notably in the US, it is natural to ask whether the same could happen to the more recent era of globalisation.
Folks - the game is over.

Globalisation peaked in 2008. We are entering the long twilight era of Scarcity Industrialism with protectionism rising across the world.

Abundant Industrialism is gone.

Welcome to the new brutal age of resource scarcity, post-peak oil and stagnating and soon enough, negative economic growth.

Re: 2008 - Peak globalisation

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 19:56
by johnhemming2
Lord Beria3 wrote:soon enough, negative economic growth.
The question here is when.

Obviously (apart from to the Green leadership) resource restrictions lead to restrictions on economic activity (viz the GDP). It is, however, always a question as to when that has an impact.

It did in the 1970s, the early 90s and mid 2000s. When next?

Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 20:43
by Lord Beria3
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... iscal-par/

Well, the data indicates that the US could be heading towards a recession.

So many sooner rather than later.

Posted: 09 Sep 2016, 09:59
by Catweazle
Is the Telegraph suggesting that Labour were right in suggesting we should borrow cheaply and invest, rather than adopt the (selectively applied) "Austerity" of the Tories ?

It looks that way to me.

Re: 2008 - Peak globalisation

Posted: 17 Sep 2016, 05:07
by fifthcolumn
Or *maybe* what we're seeing is an inevitable correction in the Chinese economy, leading to a contraction in all the other economies that were supplying it with feedstock to build all those ghost cities.

Posted: 07 Oct 2016, 20:43
by raspberry-blower
TAE: The IMF and all the other losers
Ilargi wrote: Globalization is done. And while we can discuss whether that’s of necessity or not, and I continue to contend that the end of growth equals the end of all centralization including globalization, fact is that globalization was never designed to share anything at all, other than perhaps wealth among elites, and low wages among everyone else.

The EU and IMF have not delivered on what they promised, in the same way that traditional parties have not, from the US to UK to basically all of Europe. They promised growth, and growth is gone. They may have delivered for their pay masters, but they lost the rest of the world.

Anything else is just hot air. But that doesn’t mean they will hesitate to use their control of the military and police to hold on to what they got. In fact, that’s guaranteed. But it would only be viable in a dictatorial society, and even then.

We are transcending into an entirely different stage of our lives, our economies, our societies. Growth is gone, it went out the window long ago only to be replaced with debt. And that’s going to take a lot of getting used to. But there’s nothing that says we couldn’t see it coming.

Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 12:19
by raspberry-blower
Someone else who has picked up on the end of growth equating to the end of globalism as we know it is former ambassador Alastair Crooke

Consortium News: The End of Growth Sparks Wide Discontent
Alastair Crooke wrote: In short, if globalization is giving way to discontent, the lack of growth can undermine the whole financialized global project. Stiglitz tells us that this has been evident for the past 15 years — last month he noted that he had warned then of: “growing opposition in the developing world to globalizing reforms: It seemed a mystery: people in developing countries had been told that globalization would increase overall wellbeing. So why had so many people become so hostile to it? How can something that our political leaders – and many an economist – said would make everyone better off, be so reviled? One answer occasionally heard from the neoliberal economists who advocated for these policies is that people are better off. They just don’t know it. Their discontent is a matter for psychiatrists, not economists.”

This “new” discontent, Stiglitz now says, is extended into advanced economies. Perhaps this is what Hadley means when he says, “globalization was a mistake.” It is now threatening American financial hegemony, and therefore its political hegemony too.

Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 21:33
by raspberry-blower
Steve Keen: Trump's Truthful Heresy on Globalisation and Free Trade
Steve Keen wrote: Let’s keep the party going. Globalization and Free Trade are good.

This belief is shared by almost all politicians in both parties, and it’s an article of faith for the economics profession.

You are right to reject it.

It’s a fallacy based on a fantasy, and it has been ever since David Ricardo dreamed up the idea of “Comparative Advantage and the Gains from Trade” two centuries ago. The best way to prove that (apart from looking at the bitter experience of the millions of once-were-factory-workers who voted for you) is to apply real-world scepticism to the original argument in favour of free trade

Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 21:54
by UndercoverElephant
raspberry-blower wrote:Steve Keen: Trump's Truthful Heresy on Globalisation and Free Trade
Steve Keen wrote: Let’s keep the party going. Globalization and Free Trade are good.

This belief is shared by almost all politicians in both parties, and it’s an article of faith for the economics profession.

You are right to reject it.

It’s a fallacy based on a fantasy, and it has been ever since David Ricardo dreamed up the idea of “Comparative Advantage and the Gains from Trade” two centuries ago. The best way to prove that (apart from looking at the bitter experience of the millions of once-were-factory-workers who voted for you) is to apply real-world scepticism to the original argument in favour of free trade
Yep.

Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 06:42
by johnhemming2
Although there are issues with excessive outsourcing between countries, the big shift in terms of undermining skilled workers' position in the economy has been through technology. That is driving a wedge between the higher paid roles and is resulting in more and more jobs at the bottom level.

The idea that having more economic activity means that there is more to be shared out (and more available for the government to direct) remains true. It has always faced resource limits.

The question to be addressed is how to improve the situation of the left behind. Reducing international trade is not something that obviously seems a sensible conclusion.

Encouraging people to buy locally made goods, however, does seem reasonable.

Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 14:01
by Lord Beria3
Globalization peaked around a decade ago.

Trade has been steadily falling since 2006, in line with the peak in conventional oil supplies (2005).

The fact is that we are already in the decline of industrial civilization and politics in 2016 has caught up with that reality.

This rather interesting post discusses the plight of the selfie generation as the mega bubble of abundant industrialism starts to slowly pop over the next few decades.

http://shtfschool.com/gangs/new-generations/

Short answer - the young are screwed.

Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 20:58
by raspberry-blower
The Ecologist: After Brexit and Trump don't demonise - localise!
We need to learn from the Brexit and Trump votes that the far-Right thrives because it has a populist answer to the vicious impacts of globalisation. Voters want fundamental change, and the 'reforms' sought by mainstream progressives, Greens and those on the Left - like job training programs for displaced workers or voluntary safety standards for Third World factories - are simply inadequate.

Instead, we need to offer an alternative to globalisation itself.

Posted: 24 Nov 2016, 08:33
by Lord Beria3
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ ... llacy.html

Greer's latest - this week the subject is free trade and what a disaster it has been.

Posted: 03 Dec 2016, 17:15
by vtsnowedin
Lord Beria3 wrote:http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ ... llacy.html

Greer's latest - this week the subject is free trade and what a disaster it has been.
Brief as always. :wink:
It will be interesting to see what Trump and the Republican Congress can come up with to move from "Free trade" to "Fair trade".
I expect the price of coffee will go up.

Posted: 07 Dec 2016, 20:56
by Lord Beria3
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ ... angle.html

Greer's latest. A usual a cracking read.