The Egyptian military has saved Egypt...

[Lord Beria3]

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-190813.html

The giant sucking sound you here, I said on August 15 on CNBC's The Kudlow Report, is the implosion of America's influence in the Middle East. Vladimir Putin's August 17 offer of Russian military assistance to the Egyptian army after US President Barack Obama cancelled joint exercises with the Egyptians denotes a post-Cold-War low point in America's standing. Along with Russia, Saudi Arabia and China are collaborating to contain the damage left by American blundering. They have being doing this quietly for more than a year.

The pipe-dream has popped of Egyptian democracy led by a Muslim Brotherhood weaned from its wicked past, but official Washington has not woken up. Egypt was on the verge of starvation when military pushed out Mohammed Morsi. Most of the Egyptian poor had been living on nothing but state-subsidized bread for months, and even bread supplies were at risk. The military brought in US$12 billion of aid from the Gulf States, enough to avert a humanitarian catastrophe. That's the reality. It's the one thing that Russia, Saudi Arabia and Israel agree about

The first accurate analysis of the Egyptian crisis in the western media. The Brotherhood is similar to the Nazis, they use legalistic methods to gain power but their street thugs, their hatred of minorities (the state sanctioned destruction of Christian churches and killing of innocent Christians) and their obsessive attempt to seize total power when in government, is Hitlerian.

Naturally, the Brotherhood armed wing are using violence against the Army which has attracted inevitable bloodshed (in some cases dis-proportionate). However, in the final analysis the Egyptian military are doing the right thing.

Well done General Sisi. You are a hero.

[Standuble]

How much food did that actually buy the country and for how long would it last? Food shortages seem to be the central independent variable which drove the two revolutions and if the aid is a temporary relief we can probably expect another revolution or mass protest in a couple of years (if not a continuous insurgency due to events of the last week.)

I suspect Egypt is simply a failed state and it will end up like Somalia.

[biffvernon]

I suspect Egypt will be baled out by Saudi Arabia for as long as it takes. The Saudis cannot afford a failed state next door.

[PS_RalphW]

The Saudis do not have enough oil to bail out Egypt (and its other failed state neighbours Yemen) for as long as it takes. You need fossil fuels these days to grow food, but you also need land, fresh water and nutrients.

SA needs $100 oil to sustain its largesse. The world needs $100 oil to drill for the marginal barrel at 76Mbpd. The world economy cannot sustain demand at 76Mbpd above $125. If China goes into recession then the world goes into recession, and the oil price will fall and production will fall and the ME will explode even more violently.

Today the BBC reports falling 8% /year UK oil production in spite of £30B/year investment.

Argentina will be a net importer by year end. They are currently a net food exporter, but for how much longer?

We are entering the peak oil world, one nation at a time.

[clv101]

I did just look at the Saudi economy compared to Egypt... Saudi is very wealthy! GDP some three times that of Egypt, with a third the population. Now, we're all aware of the precarious state of Saudi, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them (along with the US) prop up Egypt for several more years at least.

[UndercoverElephant]

Saudi Arabia is fine at the moment, but they too are sitting on a demographic nuclear-time-bomb. Egypt's version of this is already going off, but the Saudi demographics are even more scary than Egyptian ones. Their population is growing at a rapid rate, most the the young people have no future ahead of them, and as internal resource consumption increases meet decreases in export revenue as their pot of oil runs down, Saudi Arabia will eventually hit a wall. When that happens it will very quickly revert to a neo-mediaevil hellhole, because it simply does not have the level of cultural development in place to avoid it (which is another problem shared by Egypt, and another one where the Saudi version is worse than the Egyption one). On top of all that, the Saudis have a third problem that is worse than the Egyption version, and that is food production. The Egyptians can't raise food production levels because all of their internal food production is restricted to the Nile valley. Saudi Arabia doesn't even have any equivalent of the Nile valley - it has to import nearly everything.

[jonny2mad]

well expect the saudis to migrate and thanks to the fluffy and to the suicidal in this country


http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3 ... of_britain they have a fine foothold to migrate too, speeding things along

[jonny2mad]

Why need the Saudis or Egyptians starve or cut birthrates, when Brits and Europeans are happy to give them their land

[Standuble]

Why need the Saudis or Egyptians starve or cut birthrates, when Brits and Europeans are happy to give them their land

If they come here then I don't think they will find much of a future. After PO hits (or sooner) Europe will become another desolate, unsustainablr place of extreme competition and strife. They also have to worry about Islamophobia. I would not be surprised if there is a kristallnacht or Holocaust aimed at them within the next fifty years and the law won't be able to protect them from disgruntled civilians.

[Little John]

European Muslims will become the new Jews in the coming decades as the masses look for someone to blame and as the authorities become only too happy for the masses to direct their rage at anyone other than the authorities.

[Lord Beria3]

European Muslims will become the new Jews in the coming decades as the masses look for someone to blame and as the authorities become only too happy for the masses to direct their rage at anyone other than the authorities.

I don't recall a section of European Jewry harbouring a extremist, hate-filled terroristic ideology (like Islamic extremism) like contemporary European Muslims.

If anything, if Islamists (supported or tolerated by a substantial chuck if not majority of European Muslims) ever get to power, expect to see mass slaughter and killings of Christians and Jews on a Nazi scale.

Try asking Coptic Christians or Iraqi Jews what its like to live in a Muslim dominated society.

Although I agree that a massive backlash against European Islam is coming, and yes many innocent Muslims will suffer (to varying degrees) to no fault of their own. You can't really compare it to the Holocaust.

p.s. and that ignores the massive anti-Semitism in Muslim society. Hardly the innocent victims being promoted by some here. Even the left-wing New Statesman has commented on the appalling racism shown by far too many ordinary Muslims to the Jews.


http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... -community

It pains me to have to admit this but anti-Semitism isn’t just tolerated in some sections of the British Muslim community; it’s routine and commonplace. Any Muslims reading this article – if they are honest with themselves – will know instantly what I am referring to. It’s our dirty little secret. You could call it the banality of Muslim anti-Semitism.

I can’t keep count of the number of Muslims I have come across – from close friends and relatives to perfect strangers – for whom weird and wacky anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are the default explanation for a range of national and international events. Who killed Diana and Dodi? The Mossad, say many Muslims. They didn’t want the British heir to the throne having an Arab stepfather. What about 9/11? Definitely those damn Yehudis. I mean, why else were 4,000 Jews in New York told to stay home from work on the morning of 11 September 2001? How about the financial crisis? Er, Jewish bankers. Obviously. Oh, and the Holocaust? Don’t be silly. Never happened.

Growing up, I always assumed that this obsession with “the Jews” was a hallmark of the “first-generation” immigrants from the subcontinent. In recent years, I’ve been depressed to discover that there are plenty of “second-generation” Muslim youths, born and bred in multiracial Britain, who have drunk the anti-Semitic Kool-Aid. I’m often attacked by them for working in the “Jewish owned media”.

The truth is that the virus of anti-Semitism has infected members of the British Muslim community, both young and old. No, the ongoing Israel-Palestine conflict hasn’t helped matters. But this goes beyond the Middle East. How else to explain why British Pakistanis are so often the most ardent advocates of anti-Semitic conspiracies, even though there are so few Jews living in Pakistan?

It is sheer hypocrisy for Muslims to complain of Islamophobia in every nook and cranny of British public life, to denounce the newspapers for running Muslim-baiting headlines, and yet ignore the rampant anti-Semitism in our own backyard. We cannot credibly fight Islamophobia while making excuses for Judaeophobia.

A powerful article indeed. For the record, much as I hate the term 'Islamophobic', there is clearly a under-current of fear of Muslims but how much is that irrational? Maybe if Muslims became more tolerant themselves than their case of Islamophobic would be stronger.

[vtsnowedin]

I'll believe the leadership,(military or whom ever replaces them) has saved Egypt when they put in place something that will bring the population into balance with the Nile's food production capacity. As they currently import forty percent of their food and have next to nothing to export to pay for it (Other then terrorism.) That is a pretty tall order.
Being pessimistic I expect civil war and genocide to kill some thirty-two million of the poorest Egyptians. Anybody see a neat little solution that could save them from this rapidly approaching apocalypse?

[biffvernon]

See a solution? Yes, but you wouldn't like it.

[UndercoverElephant]

See a solution? Yes, but you wouldn't like it.

Does it involve allowing an unlimited amount of people to come to the UK, Biff? Because there are quite a few people hoping you've got over that one.

[jonny2mad]

I have this urge to go and live with biff, just arrive or maybe start living in the garden and gradually expand, just me at the start but gradually become a throng then a horde

So many things you would like to do in life but you never have the time