Zero Carbon Britain
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 08:15
New site launch:
http://zerocarbonbritain.org/
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I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to read the content of a website that has as its tag line, "Zero carbon Britain", as if that is ever a remote possibility in even the wildest imaginings of the wildest-eyed deep-greener.biffvernon wrote:New site launch:
http://zerocarbonbritain.org/
So we must not consider anything aspirational?stevecook172001 wrote:I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to read the content of a website that has as its tag line, "Zero carbon Britain", as if that is ever a remote possibility in even the wildest imaginings of the wildest-eyed deep-greener.
There is a difference between aspirational, delusional, and dishonest.biffvernon wrote:So we must not consider anything aspirational?stevecook172001 wrote:I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to read the content of a website that has as its tag line, "Zero carbon Britain", as if that is ever a remote possibility in even the wildest imaginings of the wildest-eyed deep-greener.
I think unless we aim for a negative value carbon Britain and the rest of the world, catastrophic global warming in inevitable.
It may be difficult but the alternative is doom.
ROF The vision of you making do as a hunter gatherer just brings so many amusing things to mind. Careful what you wish for.stevecook172001 wrote:[ero carbon Britain = a human population of no more than 2 or 3 million living a hunter gather lifestyle. Which , given a choice, I would personally have tomorrow.
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I am speaking about humanity as a group. As an individual, I would likely fare better than some, no better than many and worse than some. So what?vtsnowedin wrote:ROF The vision of you making do as a hunter gatherer just brings so many amusing things to mind. Careful what you wish for.stevecook172001 wrote:[ero carbon Britain = a human population of no more than 2 or 3 million living a hunter gather lifestyle. Which , given a choice, I would personally have tomorrow.
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Here's a novel thought; how's about all of us in this country taking a deep breath and re-conceptualising the difference between commitments that will be met, targets that can be met, aspirations that may be met and dreams that are unlikely to be met but which point us in the right direction.RenewableCandy wrote:W-e-e-e-ll, our city has a "Zero Waste" policy/target thingie. This doesn't mean that all of a sudden, as if by magic, none of us will be allowed to throw anything away. It exists, as a thing to work towards, and tells people that everything they(we) do to reduce waste moves us all in the right direction. Similarly, nutty scientizts all over the world are trying to reach the lowest temperature possible, while all of us nutty scientizts know that reaching absolute zero itself is a physical imposibility. Doesn't stop us seeing how low we can go...sotospeak !
Oh nothing really but who will you rail against about not having any meat on the fire if there are no bankers or government to blame?stevecook172001 wrote:I am speaking about humanity as a group. As an individual, I would likely fare better than some, no better than many and worse than some. So what?vtsnowedin wrote:ROF The vision of you making do as a hunter gatherer just brings so many amusing things to mind. Careful what you wish for.stevecook172001 wrote:[ero carbon Britain = a human population of no more than 2 or 3 million living a hunter gather lifestyle. Which , given a choice, I would personally have tomorrow.
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Your point is?
So, no point then.vtsnowedin wrote:Oh nothing really but who will you rail against about not having any meat on the fire if there are no bankers or government to blame?stevecook172001 wrote:I am speaking about humanity as a group. As an individual, I would likely fare better than some, no better than many and worse than some. So what?vtsnowedin wrote: ROF The vision of you making do as a hunter gatherer just brings so many amusing things to mind. Careful what you wish for.
Your point is?
Aspirational is essential, as I guess all here would agree, but this report fails that test badly.biffvernon wrote:
So we must not consider anything aspirational?
I think unless we aim for a negative value carbon Britain and the rest of the world, catastrophic global warming in inevitable.
It may be difficult but the alternative is doom.