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Posted: **25 Jan 2013, 13:40**

Golem XIV has been hitting the nail firmly on the head. With Cameron seeking a referendum on the EU, this is nothing but a smokescreen because the real powers lie elsewhere:

David Malone wrote:Today the art of politics is to take public concern, anger or bigotry and create a channel for it so that like flood water you can destroy one place while protecting another. Mr Cameron and his flag waving concern to restore Britain’s lost sovereignty is a case in point. The Conservative party has, for years, loved to hate Europe. Their rallying cry, now, is to claim back sovereignty from those johnny foreigners in Brussels.

Imagine the righteousness of reclaiming what was lost. Like a modern Henry V riding out to meet the dastardly French on the field of Agincourt. And yet…

This concern for sovereignty rings very hollow to me. Because whatever sovereignty this nation has ceded to Europe, and it has, it is little compared to that which we gave away without a murmur, without discussion to what is now the WTO (World Trade Organization). And no one, ever, talks about offering the people a referendum about that do they?
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Posted: **25 Jan 2013, 13:55**

Cameron and the rest of the political/economic elite have absolutely no intention whatsoever of allowing the "plebs" any real say in the future direction of the sovereignty of this nation. He has pulled this stunt for other reasons.

Firstly, it is to temporarily appease the anti EU rump of his own party. Secondly, it is to bleed support from UKIP. Thirdly, it is to temporarily appease the anti EU mood of the British public by making a promise that he knows he will not be around to keep or, if he is still around, he will lay claim to having obtained "concessions" from the EU such that any referendum will no longer require allowing for the choice of full withdrawal.

As for the WTO, I agree with the piece. Our loss of sovereignty and democratic accountability of parliament to the WTO is every bit as heinous or even more heinous than that which has been ceded to the EU. So what? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Posted: **25 Jan 2013, 18:04**

Never mind all that legal/political stuff, our real loss of sovereignty is to large commercial companies, like the ones who took over supplying energy, and lending money.

Until governments take those powers back, they're really just a sideshow.

Posted: **25 Jan 2013, 22:38**

stevecook172001 wrote:Firstly, it is to temporarily appease the anti EU rump of his own party. Secondly, it is to bleed support from UKIP. Thirdly, it is to temporarily appease the anti EU mood of the British public by making a promise that he knows he will not be around to keep or, if he is still around, he will lay claim to having obtained "concessions" from the EU such that any referendum will no longer require allowing for the choice of full withdrawal.

Exactly my analysis.

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Sovereignty - betrayals and lies

Sovereignty - betrayals and lies