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2015 looks interesting....

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...according to one Antonio Turiel. Here's a summary of one of his blogs, where he looks through the IEA's energy-tinted spectacles and takes into account some deliberately overlooked aspects.

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However, the IEA forecast is very optimistic also for other reasons, mainly because the decline in production will be more marked than assumed (-5%/year instead of -3%), the wells to be developed will be usable at 50% and those to be discovered are probably assumed to be four times what would be a realistic evaluation. The same is true for non conventional oil.
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http://www.fpif.org/articles/the_great_oil_swindle


'Headlines about 2012’s World Energy Outlook (WEO) from the International Energy Agency (IEA), released mid-November, would lead you to think we are literally swimming in oil'
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peaceful_life wrote:http://www.fpif.org/articles/the_great_oil_swindle


'Headlines about 2012’s World Energy Outlook (WEO) from the International Energy Agency (IEA), released mid-November, would lead you to think we are literally swimming in oil'
We're not swimming in oil. We're drowning in it. Not because there's an abundance of light, sweet oil to extract bit instead it's the thick heavy morass that's left which is expensive to extract and comes with a suffocating environmental cost.
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I don't understand these numbers. I thought we were already using in excess of 85 million barrels a day. Does this mean we're already consuming more than we're producing (net)? If so, where is the shortfall coming from?
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Tarrel wrote:I don't understand these numbers. I thought we were already using in excess of 85 million barrels a day. Does this mean we're already consuming more than we're producing (net)? If so, where is the shortfall coming from?
I think it's because the two bottom graphs are in equivalent barrels per day, I assume that's the total production minus the energy to extract it.
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The 85 Mbpd figure includes natural gas liquids and coal and gas to liquids etc., none of which are actual oil.... not to mention biofuels.
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RalphW wrote:The 85 Mbpd figure includes natural gas liquids and coal and gas to liquids etc., none of which are actual oil.... not to mention biofuels.
Really?! I didn't realise that.
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The graph is misleading. If you are to believe the top graph (IEA predictions) and then convert this to actual energy returns corrected for energy used for exctraction (the 2nd graph you wil obviously see that energy available is decreasing) But what is missleading is available for what? For sure there will be less wealth for spending on such usless activities as passing various shapes of inflated pigs bladders to and frow but a lot of ecconomic activity must be diverted to the prodcution of energy.

Only when the actual energy available decreases do you need to worry
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Looks like the amount of available net energy from hydrocarbon sources has peaked and is currently on the bumpy plateau. It's when the bumpy plateau ends - that'll be when the fun and games start for real.

Here's an interesting article from Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed that backs this premise up:
Delving deeper into the available data shows that we are already in the throes of a global energy transition in which the age of cheap oil is well and truly over. For most serious analysts, far from signifying a world running out of oil, "peak oil" refers simply to the point when, due to a combination of below-ground geological constraints and above-ground economic factors, oil becomes increasingly and irreversibly more difficult and expensive to produce.

That point is now. U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) data confirms that despite the United States producing a "total oil supply" of 10 million barrels per day (up by 2.1 mbd since January 2005), world crude oil production remains on the largely flat, undulating plateau it has been on since it stopped rising that very year at around 74 million barrels per day (mbd). According to John Hofmeister, former president of Shell Oil, "flat production for the most part" over the last decade has dovetailed with annual decline rates for existing fields of about "4 to 5 million bpd." Combined with "constant growing demand" from China and emerging markets, he argues, this will underpin higher oil prices for the foreseeable future.
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Finally, oil prices would be much higher if not for the fact that governments are heavily subsidising fossil fuels. The WEO revealed that fossil fuel subsidies increased 30 percent to $523 billion in 2011, masking the threat of high prices.

Therefore, world conventional oil production is already on a fluctuating plateau and we are increasingly dependent on more expensive unconventional sources. The age of cheap oil abundance is over.
So Governments are increasing fossil fuel subsidies rather than transitioning away from them. No surprise there :roll:

Still, got to love his conclusion:
Black gold, it would seem, is not the answer to our problems
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