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Hi if the UK is very poorly prepared for the age of post peak oil that we have just entered, or the climate change that is heading our way this century, where should I emmigrate to?

The ideal country should have low population density, high rural/arable land so it can feed itself (I believe even during WWII with rationing the UK was only had a couple of weeks of rations as buffer).

Have a high usage of Nuclear or Renewable energy resources with minimal dependency on imported Oil.

Have all of the above and have a land area above at least 10m to allow for sea level rise in my lifetime.

Oh yes be quite stable and democratic as well?

I think New Zealand/Australia fit the bill with Canada a possible although Canada is tied to the US which could be a positive or a negative depending how things go?

When the poo hits the fan almost everybody will be xenophobic so your only choice is to stay at home

ziggy12345 wrote:When the poo hits the fan almost everybody will be xenophobic so your only choice is to stay at home

What he said. Yup.

How about Orkney? I hear that it's green and fertile- and I'll be able to confirm as much at the end of this month as I'm going for a week-long hol over there- and being a small island group, it's got a good community spirit, low crime rate and there's a bit of water between the island and the rest of 'civilisation'.

Or you could try Fair Isle, a wee island between Orkney and Shetland.

Or France.

eatyourveg wrote:

ziggy12345 wrote:When the poo hits the fan almost everybody will be xenophobic so your only choice is to stay at home

What he said. Yup.

I'd agree with this.

There's no place like home.

Make plenty of friends and acquaintances, not just because it's a good thing to do, but , because it's fun as well.

I have no intention of leaving this country but if I did I'd want to go to New Zealand (along with several thousand other hopefuls I should imagine.)

Global warming will be a bigger migration push factor than Peak Oil. New Zealand, Patagonia, Russia and Canada may be winners, along with the British Isles (well above sea level).

ArowxGames wrote:Hi if the UK is very poorly prepared for the age of post peak oil that we have just entered, or the climate change that is heading our way this century, where should I emmigrate to?

The ideal country should have low population density, high rural/arable land so it can feed itself (I believe even during WWII with rationing the UK was only had a couple of weeks of rations as buffer).

Have a high usage of Nuclear or Renewable energy resources with minimal dependency on imported Oil.

Have all of the above and have a land area above at least 10m to allow for sea level rise in my lifetime.

Oh yes be quite stable and democratic as well?

I think New Zealand/Australia fit the bill with Canada a possible although Canada is tied to the US which could be a positive or a negative depending how things go?

Stay in the UK, too many people - YES
but
Extended growing seasons, decent soil, small distances and sophisticated transport network and above all else............RAIN.

UK could become a very fertile little island.

Agree about the xenophobic bit too.

Cabrone wrote: Stay in the UK, too many people - YES
but
Extended growing seasons, decent soil, small distances and sophisticated transport network and above all else............RAIN.

UK could become a very fertile little island.

Agree about the xenophobic bit too.

Although Climate Change could make Britain quite an icy little island too.

In typical Middle England style, you've all assumed that PO & CC will affect different countries in the same way and to the same extent. Some (most?) countries/regions are far better prepared than the UK. Cuba, for instance, will hardly notice PO and due to the landscape, a rise in sea levels will not have a huge impact. No flying poos and no fans. Bangladesh could deal with PO pretty easily, but will CC is having a major effect.

Maybe you'd be better off asking "Where will the effects of PO & CC be felt the least?"

Again, the point about xenophobia is purely based on the Daily Mail mentality. Many other places around the globe do not have such inherent bad attitudes.

I know this is meant to be a UK-centric site, but sometimes it sounds like none of you have ever been abroad.

contadino wrote:In typical Middle England style, you've all assumed that PO & CC will affect different countries in the same way and to the same extent. Some (most?) countries/regions are far better prepared than the UK. Cuba, for instance, will hardly notice PO and due to the landscape, a rise in sea levels will not have a huge impact. No flying poos and no fans. Bangladesh could deal with PO pretty easily, but will CC is having a major effect.

Maybe you'd be better off asking "Where will the effects of PO & CC be felt the least?"

Again, the point about xenophobia is purely based on the Daily Mail mentality. Many other places around the globe do not have such inherent bad attitudes.

I know this is meant to be a UK-centric site, but sometimes it sounds like none of you have ever been abroad.

I disagree about the Dail Mail thing. I have travelled fairly extensively, and I am of the opinion that people are pretty much the same the world over. Usually friendly, willing to help and proud of where they live.

But if things get tight, the priorities will larger be defined by blood being thicker than water. As said so many times here, if you are not really good at something very useful, you will be very much at a disadvantage.

Living in Puglia isn't representative of everywhere else either. I know Puglia reasonably well, and very nearly upped sticks to a Masseria a few years ago. I would say it is one if the friendliest places I have been, very open, helpful locals - but that wouldn't stop xenophobia if things got tight enough.
Like it or not, we are tribal. No thin veneer of civilization is going to change that.

contadino wrote:In typical Middle England style, you've all assumed that PO & CC will affect different countries in the same way and to the same extent. Some (most?) countries/regions are far better prepared than the UK. Cuba, for instance, will hardly notice PO and due to the landscape, a rise in sea levels will not have a huge impact. No flying poos and no fans. Bangladesh could deal with PO pretty easily, but will CC is having a major effect.

Maybe you'd be better off asking "Where will the effects of PO & CC be felt the least?"

Again, the point about xenophobia is purely based on the Daily Mail mentality. Many other places around the globe do not have such inherent bad attitudes.

I know this is meant to be a UK-centric site, but sometimes it sounds like none of you have ever been abroad.

The xenaphobic comment was made by me and I have worked in 47 countries over a 30 year period. When people are faced with shortages they tend to reject outsiders to their groups. This is a survival mechanism and is common for all humans.

eatyourveg wrote:

contadino wrote:In typical Middle England style, you've all assumed that PO & CC will affect different countries in the same way and to the same extent. Some (most?) countries/regions are far better prepared than the UK. Cuba, for instance, will hardly notice PO and due to the landscape, a rise in sea levels will not have a huge impact. No flying poos and no fans. Bangladesh could deal with PO pretty easily, but will CC is having a major effect.

Maybe you'd be better off asking "Where will the effects of PO & CC be felt the least?"

Again, the point about xenophobia is purely based on the Daily Mail mentality. Many other places around the globe do not have such inherent bad attitudes.

I know this is meant to be a UK-centric site, but sometimes it sounds like none of you have ever been abroad.

I disagree about the Dail Mail thing. I have travelled fairly extensively, and I am of the opinion that people are pretty much the same the world over. Usually friendly, willing to help and proud of where they live.

But if things get tight, the priorities will larger be defined by blood being thicker than water. As said so many times here, if you are not really good at something very useful, you will be very much at a disadvantage.

Living in Puglia isn't representative of everywhere else either. I know Puglia reasonably well, and very nearly upped sticks to a Masseria a few years ago. I would say it is one if the friendliest places I have been, very open, helpful locals - but that wouldn't stop xenophobia if things got tight enough.
Like it or not, we are tribal. No thin veneer of civilization is going to change that.

You've missed my point. If TSHTF due to PO in the UK, it may not in other countries. I know that around here, whilst it would be felt, it wouldn't cause life to become too unpleasant. If you know Puglia, then you'll know that the majority of it is forecast to be desert in 30 years, and you'll know that we (as a regione) are now suffering water shortages on an annual basis.

I could name about a dozen other places around the globe that I know of that are in far better shape than the UK. Geographically able to withstand many of the effects of CC and not reliant on FFs/energy to the extent that much of the UK is.

Not everywhere will suffer to the degree that England will. If regions don't suffer, the alleged xenophobia that you're so worried about won't emerge. It's arrogant to sit in the UK, predicting the situation elsewhere without an in-depth knowledge of how well those other areas are prepared.

contadino wrote:If regions don't suffer, the alleged xenophobia that you're so worried about won't emerge.

I'd say the opposite. The xenophobia could be most acute in the places that don't suffer much as they will be the places facing the largest influx from other countries/regions.