Update from the Archdruid Greer

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 05 Mar 2018, 15:42

I like his prose style. It is unapologetically what it is.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 05 Mar 2018, 16:04

Potemkin Villager wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:Yes a good sentence. But how he runs on though. A good editor would trim his work by at least half. Said by a deplorable clinging to his guns and religion.
Yes he is incredibly verbose for some reason. According to a writer friend his fiction is even more turgid. Bags of self confidence though.

People that write for a living get so proficient typing that they can keep up with their train of thought and put it all down uncut. I stumble through typing and without spell check would write almost nothing and often reconsider a turn of phrase and rewrite before clicking on send. The Calvin Coolidge school of communication as it were.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 05 Mar 2018, 16:09

Little John wrote:I like his prose style. It is unapologetically what it is.

Certainly and he is welcome to it. That I find it verbose and makes my eyes glaze over halfway down the page is easily cured by me clicking off the page.

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 05 Mar 2018, 16:28

vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:I like his prose style. It is unapologetically what it is.
Certainly and he is welcome to it. That I find it verbose and makes my eyes glaze over halfway down the page is easily cured by me clicking off the page.

I suspect a lot of people do exactly this. He is largely preaching to the converted.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 05 Mar 2018, 16:30

Not true in my case. I did not a like a lot of what he wrote until I took the time and effort to read it extensively. I am still left completely unmoved by his druidical stuff. But, that does not stop me from recognising his genius in a host of other arenas.

Post by **clv101** » 05 Mar 2018, 18:18

vtsnowedin wrote:That I find it verbose...

Indeed, I've read a few of his books and thought each was at least a third too long for the content presented. I guess that's an occupational hazard given how prolific an author he is.

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 05 Mar 2018, 18:48

Little John wrote:Not true in my case. I did not a like a lot of what he wrote until I took the time and effort to read it extensively. I am still left completely unmoved by his druidical stuff. But, that does not stop me from recognising his genius in a host of other arenas.

Can you point to any "must read" article" that would show what exactly his message is and why it matters? How exactly is this genius demonstrated? Life is short and there is no shortage of stuff to read.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 05 Mar 2018, 20:16

Potemkin Villager wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:Yes a good sentence. But how he runs on though. A good editor would trim his work by at least half. Said by a deplorable clinging to his guns and religion.
Yes he is incredibly verbose for some reason. According to a writer friend his fiction is even more turgid. Bags of self confidence though.

So much to choose from...

Okay, here's a recent one of his

https://www.ecosophia.net/zenos-laughter/

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 05 Mar 2018, 20:55

Little John wrote:
Potemkin Villager wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:Yes a good sentence. But how he runs on though. A good editor would trim his work by at least half. Said by a deplorable clinging to his guns and religion.
Yes he is incredibly verbose for some reason. According to a writer friend his fiction is even more turgid. Bags of self confidence though.
So much to choose from...

Okay, here's a recent one of his

https://www.ecosophia.net/zenos-laughter/

Sorry but this really does not float my boat.

I found my eyes glazing over, a heavy weight descending on me and mental paralysis closing in halfway through the second paragraph. Skimming through the text I could discern no sense of where it might be going, what he was getting at or when, if ever, he was going to get to the point (if there was one).

It comes across as pure indulgent bullshit from a patronising charlatan who loves the sound of his own voice and showing off how clever he is at persuading people how clever he is.

The best example of teasing out philosophical and ethical stuff in a very practical for me was written by Perseig in "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" which sets a very high bar IMHO. He was another US author who wrote at great length but with an economy and clarity that is sadly missing here.

Enjoy.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 06 Mar 2018, 07:05

I probably agree with Potemkin Villager and vtsnowedin, but I really don't want to read enough of the links to confirm that.

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 06 Mar 2018, 15:13

johnhemming2 wrote:I probably agree with Potemkin Villager and vtsnowedin, but I really don't want to read enough of the links to confirm that.

I really am open to being convinced otherwise and concede that I may possibly be missing something. I would be delighted if one of his admirers could, for example, summarise the above article briefly, show how it is some advance on the state of the art and how it is a work of genius.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 06 Mar 2018, 22:13

Fascinating to see the sharp differences of position on Greer.

I'm a big fan of him and think he writes beautifully on the great challenges of our civilization.

Each to their one.

Regarding my FI post, I agree that the muslims will wish to conquer central Europe and not just stop at Italy and Spain and fear they would succeed.

Much will depend on the strength of the European armies resistance should this ever occur.

Post by **clv101** » 06 Mar 2018, 22:46

Lord Beria3 wrote:Fascinating to see the sharp differences of position on Greer.

I'm a big fan of him and think he writes beautifully on the great challenges of our civilization.

Certainly speaks a lot of sense, which is way I read his books / blogs, but they can be verbose. Dark Age America was the most recent I read - the last third was pretty shallow - felt like padding to hit the word count.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 07 Mar 2018, 20:59

https://www.ecosophia.net/a-rhetorical-education/

Greer's latest.

As always SUPERB.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 07 Mar 2018, 21:23

Yep

Brilliant