New coronavirus in/from China

[UndercoverElephant]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52663523

The final bill could be even higher. Leaked Treasury documents suggested the figure this year could be as much as £337bn.

That's just for this year. So for the whole timeframe of the virus, we're probably talking a cost to the UK economy of between half and one trillion pounds.

We're all Japan now.

[vtsnowedin]

Yes to all that.
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I'm getting pretty bored of the lockdown though. I still fear the disease, but the monotony is grinding me down.

We should suck it up and deal with a bit of monotony. It is the loss of jobs and drain on your bank account balance that should have you fighting mad.

[BritDownUnder]

Looks like Vietnam got it right on Coronavirus. A bit of luck too as not many Chinese visit the place as the two countries are now mortal enemies. Having a dictatorial government helps too but as Russia's experience shows even dictatorial minded places don't always get it right.

[Little John]

The UK chief medic confirms.

Again.

Covid19 is harmless to the vast majority of people

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/15/wat ... -majority/

[clv101]

Seemed a good summary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6h8TIxeg1g

Interesting stuff here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... aul-garner

Spector estimates that about 200,000 of them are reporting symptoms which have lasted for the duration of the study, which is six weeks. There is good clinical data available for patients who end up in hospital. Thus far the government is not collecting information on those in the community with ostensibly “mild� but often debilitating symptoms – a larger group than those in critical care.

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Scientific explanations for what is happening are still at an early stage. Lynne Turner-Stokes, professor of rehabilitation medicine at King’s College, says Covid is a “multi-system disease� which can potentially affect any organ. It causes microvascular problems and clots. Lungs, brain, skin, kidneys and the nervous system may be affected. Neurological symptoms can be mild (headache) or severe (confusion, delirium, coma).

[stumuz1]

How do people on here feel Nicola Sturgeon has done to date compared to Boris Johnson?

Nicola gets out of bed in the morning with one aim. To create division. It's the raison d'être of nationalist politicians.

Take a google at the Irish civil war (still being fought) to see how nationalism on an island ends up.

In creating division she is pretty good.

As for the coverage, she was blaming English stats which showed higher deaths in Scottish care homes, last i saw her.

[stumuz1]

Instead they thought they could get away with letting the virus run free while claiming that wasn't actually what they were doing, and went fully down that path. They only stopped when people started talking about genocide or crimes against humanity, and the rest of Europe was clearly following a different path, so they realised they couldn't get away with it after all. But by then it was too late.

So by your reasoning, Sweden will be in the dock in the Hague anytime now?

[UndercoverElephant]

Instead they thought they could get away with letting the virus run free while claiming that wasn't actually what they were doing, and went fully down that path. They only stopped when people started talking about genocide or crimes against humanity, and the rest of Europe was clearly following a different path, so they realised they couldn't get away with it after all. But by then it was too late.

So by your reasoning, Sweden will be in the dock in the Hague anytime now?

If they end up with a massively high death rate, yes. If not, no. I didn't actually say the original plan was the wrong one, merely that it was politically unsustainable.

[stumuz1]

Instead they thought they could get away with letting the virus run free while claiming that wasn't actually what they were doing, and went fully down that path. They only stopped when people started talking about genocide or crimes against humanity, and the rest of Europe was clearly following a different path, so they realised they couldn't get away with it after all. But by then it was too late.

So by your reasoning, Sweden will be in the dock in the Hague anytime now?

If they end up with a massively high death rate, yes. If not, no. I didn't actually say the original plan was the wrong one, merely that it was politically unsustainable.

So no reasonable politician could have reasonably contemplated what Sweden has done? and further, deliberately set out to murder members of a national, ethnical, racial or religious group?

[clv101]

Seemed a good summary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6h8TIxeg1g

Interesting stuff here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... aul-garner

Spector estimates that about 200,000 of them are reporting symptoms which have lasted for the duration of the study, which is six weeks. There is good clinical data available for patients who end up in hospital. Thus far the government is not collecting information on those in the community with ostensibly “mild� but often debilitating symptoms – a larger group than those in critical care.

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Scientific explanations for what is happening are still at an early stage. Lynne Turner-Stokes, professor of rehabilitation medicine at King’s College, says Covid is a “multi-system disease� which can potentially affect any organ. It causes microvascular problems and clots. Lungs, brain, skin, kidneys and the nervous system may be affected. Neurological symptoms can be mild (headache) or severe (confusion, delirium, coma).

This from a friend of mine:

Sharing this for the others who think they've had it and still not quite right. I'm one of those in 60-plus days category. It's weird cos you keep doubting yourself, you think, "I've just lost a bit of fitness." But I get out of breath just walking up a hill, I get out of breath just talking too much, I can't run without chest pain and getting wheezy for the entire day. The dust on the farm right now is making me wheezy. I can't go near smoke. Never had any of this before Covid.

Of course, perspective needed when 100,000s people have died, but it's not a simple case of mild infection, hospitalisation or death. Mild can include people that may suffer long term lung damage. Hopefully it's something that will eventually clear up and leave little trace. It's unknown yet.

[fuzzy]

Yes a lot of people saw a similiar 'aging' - joints more trouble, fitness loss, me included. Self employed farmers would be a good case study as they can continue with the same work. Everyone else has had a lifestyle change so Heisenberg uncertainty applies.

[Little John]

I see grasping at straws

First we are told we need to keep the complete lock-down because millions would die irrespective of age, morbidity etc etc and anyone who disagrees is a right wing fascist murderer. Obviously. This is a lie.

Then we we are told we need to keep the complete lock down because large numbers of young people are getting it. This is also a lie.

Then we are told we need to keep the lock-down because it might be "killing the kids" despite the fact that (a) Kawasaki disease existed before Covid 19 and (b) the number of kids who are getting this are incredibly rare and (c) there is no proof of a link between the current incidence of Kawasaki disease and Covid 19. This is also most likely a lie. But, at the very least, is a gross exaggeration.

Now, we are being told we need to keep the lock-down because there may be all kinds of "complications" as yet unproven in any statistically verifiable way. More hysterical fear mongering.

Here are some numbers we do know:

5% of all people who get Covid 19 will die in the absence of significant medical intervention. Mostly the elderly and comorbid.

15% of all people who get Covid 19 will get seriously ill and need to go to bed for a few days to a week or so. but will likely not die of it. Again, this 15% is made up of largely the elderly and comorbid

80% of all people who get Covid 19 will recover unproblematically and many of them will not even know they had it.

[vtsnowedin]

Now John you can't be bothering people with facts in the morning. You should at least wait until Tea time.

[UndercoverElephant]

Yes to all that.
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I'm getting pretty bored of the lockdown though. I still fear the disease, but the monotony is grinding me down.

We should suck it up and deal with a bit of monotony. It is the loss of jobs and drain on your bank account balance that should have you fighting mad.

My bank account is fine.

[Little John]

Meanwhile, long awaited operations are being cancelled, those with long-term illnesses which need constant monitoring are having their consultations cancelled and result of medical tests lost in the system.

The young and healthy must be allowed to mix freely in society at this stage of the virus's development so that they are ready for the second stage. If young people don't develop immunity at this stage, then they become as vulnerable as the old are now when it mutates to the next stage.

This is what some of us have now been saying for weeks. But, everybody has been so whipped up into a state of pant shitting hysteria, it is like banging one's head against a brick wall trying to explain this to people. Even on here.

Or, perhaps, especially on somewhere like here.