I fear the red beast... yup communism

ceti331 · Post by **ceti331** » 28 Jan 2012, 16:15

energy-village wrote: Ultimately if British people were at risk of starving we'd expect our government to use whatever method they could to provide for us

I wondered if we'd see the return of wartime style food rationing (independently of war)

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 28 Jan 2012, 17:19

ceti331 wrote:
energy-village wrote: Ultimately if British people were at risk of starving we'd expect our government to use whatever method they could to provide for us
I wondered if we'd see the return of wartime style food rationing (independently of war)

I consider this an inevitability as we enter the new era of Scarcity Industrialism

postie · Post by **postie** » 28 Jan 2012, 18:19

Wow... this thread is the biggest crock of right wing shite. I'm really quite surprised ....

I'll bow out and leave you to it.

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 28 Jan 2012, 18:49

fifthcolumn wrote:
Ludwig wrote:One thing's for sure: it wouldn't solve the problem of how to feed 7 billion people without cheap oil.
We will feed 7 billion with expensive oil

were not even feeding 7 billion people as it is, millions starve every year! with higher oil prices to come plus an extra 130 million (est) mouths to feed every year, i dont see how you can come to that conclusion, and thats without throwing in the economic problems to come (high unemployment, high inflation etc), what happens when nations start going bankrupt, how are the vast unemployed going to eat then? whos going to help them? TPTB certainly wont, they dont help the current 950 million (est from 2010 figures) people who go to sleep hungry wondering where there next meal is to come from, so what makes you think there help out the rest of us when the price of food soars?

although we currently produce enough food to feed every person on the planet, we still have millions starving every day, and thats with cheap oil, so as the oil and food become more expensive obviously more people are going to starve regardless of weather theres enough food to go round, as i dont see companies sacrificing some of there profits to subsidise food its just the sad way our world works, its all about money/profits. food will get more expensive as many people become poorer, i dont expect much help off the rich/TPTB, if anything there try fleecing what little money the poor have left.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 28 Jan 2012, 20:30

hodson2k9 wrote:were not even feeding 7 billion people as it is, millions starve every year!

But we produce far more than 7 billion need to live healthily. We're not very good at distributing it fairly. Some eat too much, some starve, and a lot of food gets wasted.

energy-village · Post by **energy-village** » 28 Jan 2012, 20:42

postie wrote:Wow... this thread is the biggest crock of right wing shite. I'm really quite surprised ....

I'll bow out and leave you to it.

I'm certainly not on the right. I would like to see a radical programme to turn around this Titantic we're sailing in. However, it seems very unlikely.

Just because people might predict a resource war future doesn't mean they want it.

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 28 Jan 2012, 20:44

biffvernon wrote:
hodson2k9 wrote:were not even feeding 7 billion people as it is, millions starve every year!
But we produce far more than 7 billion need to live healthily.

ye i know i did say that in my post

"although we currently produce enough food
to feed every person on the planet"

We're not very good at distributing it fairly. Some eat too much, some starve, and a lot of food gets wasted.

its because profits/money is all that matters, if youve got the money you eat, if you havent you most likely starve.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 28 Jan 2012, 20:49

hodson2k9 wrote:
ye i know i did say that in my post

Indeed you did, but life's too short to read more than the first line of a forum post.

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 28 Jan 2012, 21:13

biffvernon wrote:
hodson2k9 wrote:
ye i know i did say that in my post
Indeed you did, but life's too short to read more than the first line of a forum post.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 28 Jan 2012, 21:23

postie wrote:Wow... this thread is the biggest crock of right wing shite. I'm really quite surprised ....

I'll bow out and leave you to it.

You said earlier that you were a follower of Trotsky, you could look up the part he played in the mass murder of the red terror, yes he ended up being killed by Stalin because he was not as wily as Stalin but the man was scum as were the Bolshevists generally .

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 28 Jan 2012, 21:25

it seems strange to me to see people hold these characters in high regard why not say your a supporter of pol pot

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 28 Jan 2012, 21:46

jonny2mad wrote:
postie wrote:Wow... this thread is the biggest crock of right wing shite. I'm really quite surprised ....

I'll bow out and leave you to it.
You said earlier that you were a follower of Trotsky, you could look up the part he played in the mass murder of the red terror, yes he ended up being killed by Stalin because he was not as wily as Stalin but the man was scum as were the Bolshevists generally .

Quite right.

Trotsky was a ruthless fanatic and deserved to die along with all the other Bolshevik scum in Stalins purges. Indeed, that is the only thing I have never had a problem with in regard to Uncle Joe, he was a total bastard but he did at least kill lots of other bastards along with the millions of innocent people.

And how exactly is this thread 'right-wing'? Most people from the social democratic Left to the right have been opposed to Communism. Read some history you twat, starting with Pol Pot, the Soviet Union and all the other ghastly commie mistakes.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 29 Jan 2012, 01:04

Bakunin : When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick

One of my favourite socialists was Orwell and he pretty much saw what happens in most communist revolutions,

mobbsey · Post by **mobbsey** » 29 Jan 2012, 01:18

jonny2mad wrote:One of my favourite socialists was Orwell and he pretty much saw what happens in most communist revolutions,

Yeah, well Eton trained socialists tend to be a little bit different to ones that went to the local Secondary Modern/Comprehensive school.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 29 Jan 2012, 01:38

Well Ive known all sorts of socialists lots of oxbridge educated one's, one's who come from poor backgrounds without much formal education .

I don't think there are many of the richer Champagne socialist ones, who would live as a tramp or kitchen KP or go and fight in the Spanish civil war and get shot .

Actually I don't think most of the poorer background ones would .