vtsnowedin wrote:If Trump wins there probably will be riots in several inner cities and if Hillary wins there will be yet another surge in gun sales and a shortage of ammo.
If I was feeling under gunned I'd go down to the gun shop this week and pick up anything I wanted before the prices get jacked up. I just bought the missis a new living room set so am feeling weak in the check book so will just wait it out with the few I have. Can't shoot more then one at a time anyways.
It could get a lot worse than that.
Trump supporters are openly talking about preventing, by armed force, Hilary being inaugurated.
You guys are massively under-estimating the anger and frustration out there in Trump-land. These folks genuinely think that this is their last chance to save America.
Millions of them will be prepared to take their guns and go to the streets, should Trump call for it, if he lost the election.
Its not just the WSWS, Greer also thinks that it is a very real possibility.
Peace always has been and always will be an intermittent flash of light in a dark history of warfare, violence, and destruction
vtsnowedin wrote:If Trump wins there probably will be riots in several inner cities and if Hillary wins there will be yet another surge in gun sales and a shortage of ammo.
If I was feeling under gunned I'd go down to the gun shop this week and pick up anything I wanted before the prices get jacked up. I just bought the missis a new living room set so am feeling weak in the check book so will just wait it out with the few I have. Can't shoot more then one at a time anyways.
It could get a lot worse than that.
Trump supporters are openly talking about preventing, by armed force, Hilary being inaugurated.
You guys are massively under-estimating the anger and frustration out there in Trump-land. These folks genuinely think that this is their last chance to save America.
Millions of them will be prepared to take their guns and go to the streets, should Trump call for it, if he lost the election.
Its not just the WSWS, Greer also thinks that it is a very real possibility.
Trump wouldn't get out of his plane to lead any revolt and the couch potatoes that are voting for him are all talk and no action.
Little John wrote:It's not about Trump, in the end. It's about something much bigger and it's not just in the USA. Trump is just a conduit.
Well this much bigger international thing needs a leader that can articulate what needs to be done and Trump is absolutely not that leader.
Do you have anyone in mind?
A poll released Sunday shows more than 30 percent of likely voters say they are less inclined to support Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton after the FBI announced Friday the agency is reviewing newly-discovered emails potentially related to Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.
The ABC/Washington Post tracking poll was conducted from Tuesday to Friday, which means the survey’s 1,781 respondents could only be asked on the final day about the revelations regarding the new emails.
Still, the poll found 34 percent of the respondents were “less likely” to vote for Clinton and that she now leads Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump by just a single percentage point, 46-to-45 percent, in a four-way White House race, with Election Day on Nov. 8.
Her support is weakening and if sections of her electoral base not turn out for her on election day, Trump will win.
Peace always has been and always will be an intermittent flash of light in a dark history of warfare, violence, and destruction
A poll released Sunday shows more than 30 percent of likely voters say they are less inclined to support Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton after the FBI announced Friday the agency is reviewing newly-discovered emails potentially related to Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.
The ABC/Washington Post tracking poll was conducted from Tuesday to Friday, which means the survey’s 1,781 respondents could only be asked on the final day about the revelations regarding the new emails.
Still, the poll found 34 percent of the respondents were “less likely” to vote for Clinton and that she now leads Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump by just a single percentage point, 46-to-45 percent, in a four-way White House race, with Election Day on Nov. 8.
Her support is weakening and if sections of her electoral base not turn out for her on election day, Trump will win.
Don't read too much in that. Fox news leans at least as far right as the other media outlets lean left. The truth is once again somewhere in the middle and what if anything about these emails is revealed in the next week may well decide the election.
In any polls like this to get useful information you need to look at whether the people who say they are "less likely to vote for x" were supporters of x.
If they are supporters of the other candidate it is pretty well meaningless.
johnhemming2 wrote:In any polls like this to get useful information you need to look at whether the people who say they are "less likely to vote for x" were supporters of x.
If they are supporters of the other candidate it is pretty well meaningless.
You are getting into the subtitles of polling which are often discarded by those that have an answer they wish to give.
I submit another much more powerful dynamic is in play: the upper ranks of the Deep State now view Hillary as an unacceptable liability. The word came down to Comey to act whether he wanted to or not, i.e. take one for the good of the nation/Deep State/Imperial Project.
As a refresher: the Deep State is the unelected government (also called the invisible or shadow government) that is not as monolithic as generally assumed.
The neo-conservative globalists who want Hillary to continue pushing their agenda are the more visible camp, but another less visible but highly motivated camp realizes Hillary and her neo-con agenda would severely damage the nation's security and its global influence. It is this camp that is arranging for Hillary to lose.
The consensus view seems to be that the Establishment and the Deep State see Trump as a loose cannon who might upset the neo-con apple cart by refusing to toe the neo-con line.
This view overlooks the reality that significant segments of the Deep State view the neo-con strategy as an irredeemable failure. To these elements of the Deep State, Hillary is a threat precisely because she embraces the failed neo-con strategy and those who cling to it. From this point of view, Hillary as president would be an unmitigated disaster for the Deep State and the nation/Imperial Project it governs.
Whatever else emerges from the emails being leaked or officially released, one conclusion is inescapable: Hillary's judgement is hopelessly flawed. Combine her lack of judgement with her 24 years of accumulated baggage and her potential to push the neo-con agenda to the point of global disaster, and you get a potent need for the Deep State's most prescient elements to derail her campaign and clear a path to Trump's executive team.
Once this path is clear, the management of Trump's executive team can begin in earnest, a management process aimed at disengaging the nation and its global Empire from neo-con overreach.
If you think this scenario is "impossible," let's see how the election plays out before deciding what's "impossible" and what's inevitable.
Interesting analysis which goes along with my own theory that powerful elements within the Deep State have decided that Clinton is a national security risk, a total liability and if elected could trigger massive civil unrest.
I suspect that these forces have decided to destroy her, get Trump elected and I suspect try and impeach within a year if he doesn't perform.
Peace always has been and always will be an intermittent flash of light in a dark history of warfare, violence, and destruction
Channel 4 news media heads clearly panicking tonight.
Still, a week is a long time in politics and anything can happen between now and the election.
Yes it has been fun watching the networks the last couple of days.
Tonight they are talking about Russian connections and Trump's tax returns to eat up air time and not talk about Emails and the Clinton foundation pay to play revelations.
I'm frankly amazed that someone who, in my opinion, is so utterly slimy as Trump can actually be in contention. If the Republicans have that much support a decent candidate would have had it won by now.
Which makes me wonder if they actually wanted to win.
Picture this. The US economy is so deeply, utterly doomed to crash that the Republicans decide they don't want to be in charge when it does. It will stain them for the next 50 years, so they find a man with a huge bankroll and even huger ego, with a closet full of skeletons and absolutely no discernible likeability, and let him run.
It's win-win for the Republicans, they lose the election, the economy crashes, they claim that they put forward a candidate who understands business and would have saved them. They win the election and Trump makes all his friends richer.
It reminds me a bit of when Blair handed over to Brown.
Catweazle wrote:If the Republicans have that much support a decent candidate would have had it won by now.
There was research that pointed to this conclusion.
Catweazle wrote:
Which makes me wonder if they actually wanted to win.
Picture this. The US economy is so deeply, utterly doomed to crash that the Republicans decide they don't want to be in charge when it does. It will stain them for the next 50 years, so they find a man with a huge bankroll and even huger ego, with a closet full of skeletons and absolutely no discernible likeability, and let him run.
It's win-win for the Republicans, they lose the election, the economy crashes, they claim that they put forward a candidate who understands business and would have saved them. They win the election and Trump makes all his friends richer.
That makes the flawed assumption that politics is more rational than it actually is.
Catweazle wrote:If the Republicans have that much support a decent candidate would have had it won by now.
There was research that pointed to this conclusion.
Catweazle wrote:
Which makes me wonder if they actually wanted to win.
Picture this. The US economy is so deeply, utterly doomed to crash that the Republicans decide they don't want to be in charge when it does. It will stain them for the next 50 years, so they find a man with a huge bankroll and even huger ego, with a closet full of skeletons and absolutely no discernible likeability, and let him run.
It's win-win for the Republicans, they lose the election, the economy crashes, they claim that they put forward a candidate who understands business and would have saved them. They win the election and Trump makes all his friends richer.
That makes the flawed assumption that politics is more rational than it actually is.
Agreed. The long time Republican leaders that thought they were in charge are sitting on the sidelines now aghast at Trumps' commandeering of the party.When Trump is finished, which might be next Wednesday but might be January 2021 they will have to rebuild their party and need some very good new leaders to put forward.
