New coronavirus in/from China

[vtsnowedin]

A year or more of economic Armageddon will exhaust a lot more than that and for a lot longer.

Additionally:

....the deaths among health and social care workers are approximately 0.5 per cent of all deaths, suggesting they are not overrepresented....

https://www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-deaths- ... 71.article

Yes but I can't get people to realize that 50,000 USA deaths is a drop in the bucket and just the beginning. If I can convince them that 650,000 is probable under "good" outcome conditions then maybe I can move them to probable "likely" case numbers once time brings them a dose of reality.

[Vortex2]

....the deaths among health and social care workers are approximately 0.5 per cent of all deaths, suggesting they are not overrepresented....

https://www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-deaths- ... 71.article

One possible takeaway from this article is that top-end PPE works whilst basic/zero PPE doesn't.

So we need to invest in second hand spacesuits before going back to work or going shopping!

[vtsnowedin]

....the deaths among health and social care workers are approximately 0.5 per cent of all deaths, suggesting they are not overrepresented....

https://www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-deaths- ... 71.article

One possible takeaway from this article is that top-end PPE works whilst basic/zero PPE doesn't.

So we need to invest in second hand spacesuits before going back to work or going shopping!

I'm holding out for glasses frames with a built in infrared thermometer that will alert me when anyone I'm looking at has a fever.

[Vortex2]

[kenneal - lagger]

They feel they need to “go back to work� — not that they need massively more support from the government,

Sorry, it's written in English!! He is saying that they feel that they need to go back to work rather thAn that they need more support from their government..

If it was written in English it would have read --not that they don't need massively more support from the government.
As written it is gibberish.

What he has written makes perfect sense. It just doesn't agree with what you are thinking and writing.

Perhaps his thinking is a bit too European and socialist for you, VT.

[Vortex2]

HMG data as at 24th April

As of 9am on 24 April, 612,031 tests have concluded, with 28,532 tests carried out on 23 April.

444,222 people have been tested, of whom 143,464 have tested positive.

As of 5pm on 23 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 19,506 have died.

Daily case count increase and daily death count increase ... hmm.

[Vortex2]

New York antibody test results released:

New York State : 14% <<< seems typical for hot-spots

New York City : 21% <<< highest seen anywhere so far ... mega hot-spot

Up-state New York : 3.6% <<< typical value for non-hot-spots

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-70307686

(This assumes that New York isn't using the low sensitivity / low specificity tests which have tripped up other researchers)

[Vortex2]

Imperial College scientist who predicted 500K coronavirus deaths in UK adjusts figure to 20K or fewer - 26th March ... just a month ago.

We are looking at 20k deaths by tomorrow.

Professor Neil Ferguson could get an OBE or MBE after all this ... whereas in reality perhaps he should be pilloried and fired, without his pension.

There has to be a reckoning after all this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... 0k-or-less

[clv101]

Imperial College scientist who predicted 500K coronavirus deaths in UK adjusts figure to 20K or fewer - 26th March ... just a month ago.

We are looking at 20k deaths by tomorrow.

Professor Neil Ferguson could get an OBE or MBE after all this ... whereas in reality perhaps he should be pilloried and fired, without his pension.

There has to be a reckoning after all this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... 0k-or-less

The 500k figure assumed no response. The 20k figure effective lockdown, social distancing, widespread testing etc.

We are responding (thanks in part to the 500k modelling), but not perfectly hence we're blowing past the 20k modelling.

Current deaths are over 40k. The figure approaching 20k is just hospital confirmed.

[Vortex2]

Imperial College scientist who predicted 500K coronavirus deaths in UK adjusts figure to 20K or fewer - 26th March ... just a month ago.

We are looking at 20k deaths by tomorrow.

Professor Neil Ferguson could get an OBE or MBE after all this ... whereas in reality perhaps he should be pilloried and fired, without his pension.

There has to be a reckoning after all this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... 0k-or-less

The 500k figure assumed no response. The 20k figure effective lockdown, social distancing, widespread testing etc.

We are responding (thanks in part to the 500k modelling), but not perfectly hence we're blowing past the 20k modelling.

Current deaths are over 40k. The figure approaching 20k is just hospital confirmed.

You are being too generous.

[boisdevie]

Current deaths are over 40k.

Which is about the number of people in the UK who die because of obesity every year - are we going to shut down the economy to deal with this too?

[Little John]

Furthermore, it will be interesting to see how many of the Covid-19 deaths thus far have been "borrowed" from the death rates in other diseases that would have occurred at some point in the next year or so. Time will tell on that one by checking on those other deaths rates in the months to come and comparing with previous years. What might be reasonably deemed a "cut-off" point where the death might be attributed to some other disease or to Covid-19 is, of course, a matter for debate. Personally, I would consider any death that was 2 years or less in terms of being premature, as belonging to the other disease and any premature death that was more than 2 years as being attributable to Covid-19. It is a morally very tough judgement to have to make. That's for sure. But, that judgement has to be balanced against all other required moral judgements in all of this.

[Catweazle]

We're saved, all we need is intravenous Dettol and some easy-to-swallow LED lights.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... s-n1191216

[clv101]

Imperial College scientist who predicted 500K coronavirus deaths in UK adjusts figure to 20K or fewer - 26th March ... just a month ago.

We are looking at 20k deaths by tomorrow.

Professor Neil Ferguson could get an OBE or MBE after all this ... whereas in reality perhaps he should be pilloried and fired, without his pension.

There has to be a reckoning after all this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... 0k-or-less

The 500k figure assumed no response. The 20k figure effective lockdown, social distancing, widespread testing etc.

We are responding (thanks in part to the 500k modelling), but not perfectly hence we're blowing past the 20k modelling.

Current deaths are over 40k. The figure approaching 20k is just hospital confirmed.

You are being too generous.

Yes, I probably am, but the point I'm making is that the headline's comparison between 500k and 20k is a nonsense, apples to oranges.

[Little John]

We're saved, all we need is intravenous Dettol and some easy-to-swallow LED lights.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... s-n1191216

No he did not suggest that. Or, rather what he suggested was taken completely out of context. Which admittedly, is not hard given his dumb ass use of vocabulary. But, it is important to not let hyperbole run riot.

To be specific, Trump asked abut light and disinfectant being used in the body. There are, in fact, two existing therapies. UV and Ozone. The one that has got all of the usual suspects in a flap and clutching their pearls is the disinfectant one. However, this has, in fact, been used with cancer patients. O3 gas is infused into the body as a disinfectant to improve the intake of oxygen whilst simultaneously ramping up the immune system. Thus, more efficiently killing bacteria and viruses.

Trump was merely asking the expert off to one side if the above therapy was being considered for use with Covid-19.