USA presidential elections 2016

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 21 Oct 2016, 19:32

All countries apply limits to what firepower citizens have. The question is what limits. As we know in some areas the UK has less control than the USA (Crossbows).

People in the UK are allowed to own rifles anyway.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 21 Oct 2016, 20:49

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vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 21 Oct 2016, 21:03

PS_RalphW wrote:It has to be said that we imported an enormous amount of arms and weapons - tanks, ships, aircraft from the USA in WWII. However, they were not generally small-arms, although it did include Thompson sub machine guns.

I can see that small arms manufacturers need to maintain a turnover of production and capacity in peacetime so that rapid expansion in war time is possible, but that capacity should be funded by the military and kept in storage for when it is needed.

Guns in storage that no one knows how to use would be useless. It takes time to train a rifleman especially if they are afraid of guns and have never shot one. My country raised daughter qualified during basic training in minutes. Her city bred battle buddy took three weeks.
The NRA and private American citizens sent thousands of rifles and pistols to the UK during WW2. One shipload was 7000 rifles.
http://www.twinbuttebunch.org/index.php ... c.sendguns

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 23 Oct 2016, 14:54

I have published my latest take on my blog on Trump's prospects (along with a guest post as well) - we both agree that it is look like Trump will win.

https://forecastingintelligence.org/

John Greer, on his latest blog, notes that in his area only the wealthy neighborhoods show Clinton signs and the working poor are all for Trump.

Somebody else noted on the blog that during a very recent 1400 mile journey across the heartlands, they did not see a SINGLE Clinton poster/sign up but saw tons of Trump signs everywhere.

Another American poster noted that in their area of town, heartland/Middle America - that in the last week Trump signs have exploded. Before that there were nearly no signs for either candidate.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 23 Oct 2016, 15:24

Lord Beria3 wrote:I have published my latest take on my blog on Trump's prospects (along with a guest post as well) - we both agree that it is look like Trump will win.

https://forecastingintelligence.org/

John Greer, on his latest blog, notes that in his area only the wealthy neighborhoods show Clinton signs and the working poor are all for Trump.

Somebody else noted on the blog that during a very recent 1400 mile journey across the heartlands, they did not see a SINGLE Clinton poster/sign up but saw tons of Trump signs everywhere.

Another American poster noted that in their area of town, heartland/Middle America - that in the last week Trump signs have exploded. Before that there were nearly no signs for either candidate.

Did they check the cemeteries for dead Democratic voters putting up Hillary signs next to their headstones?

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 24 Oct 2016, 19:37

vtsnowedin wrote:
PS_RalphW wrote:It has to be said that we imported an enormous amount of arms and weapons - tanks, ships, aircraft from the USA in WWII. However, they were not generally small-arms, although it did include Thompson sub machine guns.

I can see that small arms manufacturers need to maintain a turnover of production and capacity in peacetime so that rapid expansion in war time is possible, but that capacity should be funded by the military and kept in storage for when it is needed.
Guns in storage that no one knows how to use would be useless. It takes time to train a rifleman especially if they are afraid of guns and have never shot one. My country raised daughter qualified during basic training in minutes. Her city bred battle buddy took three weeks.
The NRA and private American citizens sent thousands ofi rifles and pistols to the UK during WW2. One shipload was 7000 rifles.
http://www.twinbuttebunch.org/index.php ... c.sendguns

There was a lot sent to Ireland too, sticking their noses in where they wern't wanted and supporting the murder of hundreds. Also arms sent to Israel to support the attempted genocide of Palestine. The US know little about morals and as for needing to train to use weapons, it doesn't stop US citizens shooting at any old public gathering and murdering a few more.

Bottom line is, the US population has the idea that weapons are good, and anything to the contrary is dismissed.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 25 Oct 2016, 02:20

woodburner wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
PS_RalphW wrote:It has to be said that we imported an enormous amount of arms and weapons - tanks, ships, aircraft from the USA in WWII. However, they were not generally small-arms, although it did include Thompson sub machine guns.

I can see that small arms manufacturers need to maintain a turnover of production and capacity in peacetime so that rapid expansion in war time is possible, but that capacity should be funded by the military and kept in storage for when it is needed.
Guns in storage that no one knows how to use would be useless. It takes time to train a rifleman especially if they are afraid of guns and have never shot one. My country raised daughter qualified during basic training in minutes. Her city bred battle buddy took three weeks.
The NRA and private American citizens sent thousands ofi rifles and pistols to the UK during WW2. One shipload was 7000 rifles.
http://www.twinbuttebunch.org/index.php ... c.sendguns
There was a lot sent to Ireland too, sticking their noses in where they wern't wanted and supporting the murder of hundreds. Also arms sent to Israel to support the attempted genocide of Palestine. The US know little about morals and as for needing to train to use weapons, it doesn't stop US citizens shooting at any old public gathering and murdering a few more.

Bottom line is, the US population has the idea that weapons are good, and anything to the contrary is dismissed.

Thank you for making your position clear.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 25 Oct 2016, 20:42

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-2 ... an-history

Michael Moore - you are a legend!

Fully agree with him... this is the working man (and woman), only chance, probably, to stiff the rich arrogant elites where it hurts.

F--k you Wall Street.
F--k you Corporate America.
F--k you Washington.

This is payback time for stiffing us with your neo-liberal bullshit for the last 30 years.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 25 Oct 2016, 22:04

So voting for a selfish billionaire is a good way of stuffing the elite?

Hmm,.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 25 Oct 2016, 22:04

hahahaha

You still don't get it Hemming. People are past giving a shit. If Trump brings these fuckers down, then most of the people who vote for him will willingly see the world burn. They have nothing to lose.

careful_eugene · Post by **careful_eugene** » 26 Oct 2016, 10:03

johnhemming2 wrote:So voting for a selfish billionaire is a good way of stuffing the elite?

Hmm,.

The threat of a 35% tariff against imported cars if Ford were to move production to Mexico sounds like "stuffing the elite" to me. I wish some of our politicians had made similar threats in the recent past, Chinese steel for example.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 26 Oct 2016, 16:03

Little John wrote: They have nothing to lose.

Not according to people in other countries who would be often happy to have their "nothing".

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 26 Oct 2016, 16:30

Wow!!

according to comments on the same article:-

" ... Hillary Clinton’s “Sudden Move” Of $1.8 Billion To Qatar Central Bank Stuns Financial World ..." >>> https://theinternationalreporter.org/20 ... ial-world/ ...

... is it because ... " ... Are the Obamas, the Clintons and the Bushes going to seek refuge in Countries that don't Extradite to the US if Trump Wins? ..." >>> http://freedomoutpost.com/obamas-clinto ... rump-wins/ ...

... and did you know that ... " ... The country of Qatar happens to be one of a handful of countries that does not have an extradition treaty with the United States, thus would be a perfect place for her to run to in escaping justice. ..."

... here's more ... >>> "... Donald Trump has said many times during his campaign and at the Presidential debates that once he gets into office, he intends to prosecute her on various high crimes from her latest crimes of sending classified material via a personal e mail server. All the way to gun running to terrorist groups in Syria resulting in the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi.

Apparently, Hillary is not the only person in Washington who has made plans to escape justice under a Trump Administration. John Kerry has quietly been selling his property in the US for millions of dollars of late, with an announcement of the sale of his $25 million dollar Nantucket mansion in June 2016, as well as the sale of his yacht for $3.9 million in July 2016.

President Barack H Obama has also apparently been making exit plans with his purchase of a $4.9 million dollar seaside mansion in Dubai in January 2016, another non extradition country.

Snopes and other supposed fact checking sites have debunked both the story of Obama's purchase of the mansion and the firing of Rear Admiral Rick Williams. However, over the last several months, these sites have been busted for lying in trying to debunk such information as the before mentioned, when in fact the information is true. Snopes and other sites try their best to keep incriminating information from being believed, but the truth has a way of coming out on its own, as it always has. ..."

... source >>> http://freedomoutpost.com/obamas-clinto ... rump-wins/"

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 27 Oct 2016, 03:16

johnhemming2 wrote:
Little John wrote: They have nothing to lose.
Not according to people in other countries who would be often happy to have their "nothing".

Point taken but don't think there are not enough once middle class Americans that are desperate enough to at least cast a vote for what they see as their only real chance at change even if the amount and direction of the change is uncertain.
The third worlds poor are desperate enough to become suicide bombers. Casting a vote takes a lot less commitment.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 27 Oct 2016, 07:53

Suicide bombing tends to be a vengeful act that requires some direct attack on the family. Poverty itself is not according to the research a major (or even minor) cause.

We also have to be careful as to how we define poverty when looking at a global scale.