New coronavirus in/from China

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 12 Apr 2020, 13:55

It seems a good first step for you would be to fire the entire police force for lack of brains and start fresh. Maybe get some with the courage to police immigrate communities and enforce the laws there instead of making up BS rules for tax payers trying to live through an emergency.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 12 Apr 2020, 14:05

Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:
Waste of time - but at least I tried.
Better to highlight it to journalists, eg Graun?

Some of the banks are even asking for in-depth forward cash flow projections ... a bit tricky if your business is restarted in a country full of dead bodies rotting in the streets and gangs of starving people looting shops and homes.

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 12 Apr 2020, 14:05

vtsnowedin wrote:It seems a good first step for you would be to fire the entire police force for lack of brains and start fresh. Maybe get some with the courage to police immigrate communities and enforce the laws there instead of making up BS rules for tax payers trying to live through an emergency.

Nah, they'll always go for the easy targets. Bit like the tax man, you don't see them chasing the 'travelling' population.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 12 Apr 2020, 14:19

Tim Brooke-Taylor dies at 79 after contracting coronavirus

.. but that's OK, just a disposable oldster, according to some here.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 12 Apr 2020, 14:19

eatyourveg wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:It seems a good first step for you would be to fire the entire police force for lack of brains and start fresh. Maybe get some with the courage to police immigrate communities and enforce the laws there instead of making up BS rules for tax payers trying to live through an emergency.
Nah, they'll always go for the easy targets. Bit like the tax man, you don't see them chasing the 'travelling' population.

I know but the things I read here about their actions irritate me no end and I'm 3500 miles away. I don't know how you citizens of the UK can stand it or why you haven't done something to correct the situation.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 12 Apr 2020, 14:25

On the loan programs and their administration.
I have heard all these promises before and we should all be looking for an accounting in the end not of how many billions went to the banks but of how much got all the way to the intended small businesses and how much was skimmed off by well connected bankers etc.
If there is a revolution brewing, and I see plenty of fuel for that fire, it should be fought at the polls and a well informed electorate is essential for successful improvements.

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 12 Apr 2020, 14:25

Vortex2 wrote:Tim Brooke-Taylor dies at 79 after contracting coronavirus

.. but that's OK, just a disposable oldster, according to some here.

Who on here has referred to old people being disposable?

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 12 Apr 2020, 14:27

eatyourveg wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:It seems a good first step for you would be to fire the entire police force for lack of brains and start fresh. Maybe get some with the courage to police immigrate communities and enforce the laws there instead of making up BS rules for tax payers trying to live through an emergency.
Nah, they'll always go for the easy targets. Bit like the tax man, you don't see them chasing the 'travelling' population.

I heard an interview on Radio 4 some years ago with a retired senior tax inspector about who the taxmen go after.

The employed? No, we already have them under control.

The rich? No, they are too powerful. They will close down a factory unless their MP gets on the case.

Traveller? No, we don't like being threatened or stepping in human poo. Anyway, they move if we get too interested.

So that leaves the self employed and small business people? Exactly.

So how do you approach them? Well, we smack a huge random tax bill on them. They fight and fight but will eventually pay a few thousand just to settle the case, even if they don't owe anything.

And then what? Well, we demand a few thousand each year. They pay up because they can't face fighting us all over again.

Don't they take you to the tax tribunal? Yes, that is their right. However the tribunal inspectors always believe the tax office. In my career I have seen no successful tax payer complaints.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 12 Apr 2020, 14:48

fuzzy wrote:https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/04/10 ... nt-idiots/

It is very easy to write a piece like that if you ignore the costs of the alternative. The costs to British farming of ignoring the BSE problem would have been possibly more than the cost of the cull in lost cattle and lost export markets. Then there is also the possibility of the disease migrating into humans to a car greater extent than it did.

With bTB if a few Badgers had been filled in the early days of the outbreak a car smaller number of Badgers would have been killed overall, far fewer cattle would have been killed and bTB wouldn't have become endemic among the wildlife of a very big chunk of the country. If things are allowed to carry on as they are now we could well see the transmission of the disease into the human population in years to come.

Regarding covid-19, he completely ignores the problems of what would happen if the disease were allowed to rampage out of control: the overwhelming of the NHS; the emotional strain on the staff of having to turn away thousands of sick people, many with problems other than the virus, and have them die at home or on the streets. Then there is the cost to industry of having tens of thousands of workers off sick at the same time.

Not a very cohesive bit of writing as far as I'm concerned.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 12 Apr 2020, 15:22

Another unimportant, unwanted, useless old fart bites the dust.

John Conway, the mathematician who will be forever known to many programmers as the man who invented The Game of Life died on April 11, 2020 at the age of 82, a victim of COVID-19, according to his biographer, Siobhan Roberts.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 12 Apr 2020, 16:18

HMG update as at 12th April

As of 9am on 12 April, 352,974 tests have concluded, with 18,000 tests carried out on 11 April.

282,279 people have been tested, of whom 84,279 tested positive.

As of 5pm on 11 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 10,621 have died.

FWIW I predicted 84241 cases ... very close to the actual 84279.

For deaths I predicted 11154 a bit too high in comparison to the actual 10621.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 12 Apr 2020, 16:32

Vortex what is your take on Fridays spike in reported UK cases 8700 compared to about 5200 before and after.??

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 12 Apr 2020, 16:36

Vortex2 wrote:Tim Brooke-Taylor dies at 79 after contracting coronavirus

.. but that's OK, just a disposable oldster, according to some here.

What a load of bullshit. No-one on here has said old people's live are any more disposable than the those of others whose live may also be blighted or, even shortened as a consequence of the economic collapse of this country. But, there are morally negative consequences to whatever choice is made, like it or not.

As a moral problem this is clearly something of a challenge for you. But, it really is a good idea to try.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 12 Apr 2020, 16:37

Looks like Johnson nearly did not make it

https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/v ... 95446/?t=0

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 12 Apr 2020, 16:44

vtsnowedin wrote:Vortex what is your take on Fridays spike in reported UK cases 8700 compared to about 5200 before and after.??

The data collection is shite .. especially for deaths which come from multiple almost random sources.

You need a 3 - 5 day moving average to de-spike the data.