USA presidential elections 2016

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 02 Mar 2016, 01:55

So Sanders has won something?

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Mar 2016, 02:03

UndercoverElephant wrote:So Sanders has won something?

Yes his home state which is no surprise. But he is also leading in a couple of others that are still too close to call.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Mar 2016, 02:35

It appears that Bernie won Oklahoma as well and Massachusetts is still too close to call but he is behind there. (9:35 P.M.)

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 02 Mar 2016, 03:04

Do you think he can beat Clinton for the Democrat nomination?

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 02 Mar 2016, 09:29

No. As described elsewhere in the thread the election process is a UK old labour style college where the party senior members get a percentage of the vote, giving the establishment candidate a big head start.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 02 Mar 2016, 09:53

I think Clinton also will win the elected delegates as well as the super delegates. She is then likely to beat Trump. I am not sure Sanders would beat Trump.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 02 Mar 2016, 11:00

johnhemming2 wrote:I think Clinton also will win the elected delegates as well as the super delegates. She is then likely to beat Trump. I am not sure Sanders would beat Trump.

Other way around. Sanders can beat Trump, Clinton can't. That's what all the polls say.

Clinton is up the arse of the establishment, like somebody else I might mention. The US public is sick of establishment politicians. If Clinton wins the democratic nomination, we're looking at President Trump.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 02 Mar 2016, 11:43

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/01/polit ... ders-poll/

In the scenario that appears most likely to emerge from the primary contests, Clinton tops Trump 52% to 44% among registered voters. That result has tilted in Clinton's favor since the last CNN/ORC Poll on the match-up in January.

But when the former secretary of state faces off with either of the other two top Republicans, things are much tighter and roughly the same as they were in January. Clinton trails against Rubio, with 50% choosing the Florida senator compared to 47% for Clinton, identical to the results in January. Against Cruz, Clinton holds 48% to his 49%, a slight tightening from a 3-point race in January to a 1-point match-up now.

Sanders -- who enjoys the most positive favorable rating of any presidential candidate in the field, according to the poll -- tops all three Republicans by wide margins: 57% to 40% against Cruz, 55% to 43% against Trump, and 53% to 45% against Rubio. Sanders fares better than Clinton in each match-up among men, younger voters and independents.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 02 Mar 2016, 12:08

Looks like it is too close to call then.

President Trump is certainly a very real possibility.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Mar 2016, 12:20

UndercoverElephant wrote:Looks like it is too close to call then.

President Trump is certainly a very real possibility.

Yes and the thought of a Trump presidency is chilling!

One thing to remember is that the super delegates are free to switch sides anytime and being the finger in the wind poll watchers they are could switch from Hillary to Bernie if Bernie continues to win or if Hillary gets indicted. Just one bomb shell that sticks and the supers go up for grabs so there is no reason for Benrie to drop out.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 02 Mar 2016, 12:23

UndercoverElephant wrote:President Trump is certainly a very real possibility.

That would mean a very bad smell in the White House....

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 02 Mar 2016, 12:41

Those articles of Greer's are bang on; he has a great overview.

Trump's doing an Obama. Well, just a politician thing really. Lie through your teeth until they elect you.

Lurkalot · Post by **Lurkalot** » 02 Mar 2016, 18:15

UndercoverElephant wrote:
Sanders can beat Trump, Clinton can't. That's what all the polls say.

. If Clinton wins the democratic nomination, we're looking at President Trump.

Listening to an American on local radio this morning talking about this and he made a comment that Sanders has pretty much shot himself in the foot when he described himself as a socialist as there are many in the US that see socialist and communist as the same thing . And as we know communism is , of course , intrinsically evil.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 02 Mar 2016, 19:08

Lurkalot wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
Sanders can beat Trump, Clinton can't. That's what all the polls say.

. If Clinton wins the democratic nomination, we're looking at President Trump.
Listening to an American on local radio this morning talking about this and he made a comment that Sanders has pretty much shot himself in the foot when he described himself as a socialist as there are many in the US that see socialist and communist as the same thing . And as we know communism is , of course , intrinsically evil.

He's doing quite well for somebody who has shot himself in the foot.

And anyway - he is a socialist.

Lurkalot · Post by **Lurkalot** » 02 Mar 2016, 20:09

I don't see him as a socialist as most this side of the pond would understand the word but from the speeches or rather bits of speeches I seen he does seem to make some sense. I won't pretend to really understand the American political system . I can't in all honesty see him in the White House I just don't think America is ready for his style of politics although I would wish him well. I can see Trump getting in , and perhaps Boris getting in over here too. Brave new world that will be?