Spooks on TV last night made it clear : it will only take a spark to throw the UK into religious / cultural strife.
Yes, it's only drama - but nevertheless it's clearly an issue which has people concerned.
So 'yawn' may not be quite the most appropriate response ... although in comfy, well off, intellectual Cambridge I suppose the world does seem a nice stable place.
Opting out before the UK becomes 3rd world?
Moderator: Peak Moderation
+1 Couldn't have said it better.RalphW wrote:Yawn.
Trouble with immigrant cultures is as old as immigration. Several thousand years at least in this country.
In recent centuries I can think of Huguenots, Moslems, Jews, blacks and Moslems (again) being the 'thin edge of the wedge' in this country.
It is cyclical. It will blow over.
This country hasn't had civil war in 400 years.
As for outbreeding the enemy, this is a tactic followed by all fundamentalist religions, certainly isn't limited to Moslems.
CIA demographic data clearly shows that Moslem countries are not breeding faster overall than others.
I agree also.Adam1 wrote:+1 Couldn't have said it better.RalphW wrote:Yawn.
Trouble with immigrant cultures is as old as immigration. Several thousand years at least in this country.
In recent centuries I can think of Huguenots, Moslems, Jews, blacks and Moslems (again) being the 'thin edge of the wedge' in this country.
It is cyclical. It will blow over.
This country hasn't had civil war in 400 years.
As for outbreeding the enemy, this is a tactic followed by all fundamentalist religions, certainly isn't limited to Moslems.
CIA demographic data clearly shows that Moslem countries are not breeding faster overall than others.
Most of the muslims in this country are from Pakistan/Bangladesh, due to historic rights of access given after those countries fought in the second world war on our side in large numbers (as part of India).Vortex wrote: Does the exponential function not apply to immigrant communities?
(A small number volunteered to fight for the wrong side, but were never used).
Very few new immigrants these days are Muslim. Most are east european. We did allow in a lot of refugees from Afghanistan/Iraq, but now we send them back.
As with all immigrant communities, the family size is large in the first generation, but falls rapidly, and matches the national average after two generations, currently below replacement.
There is a big disconnect between the Muslim elders and the younger generations in this country. Again this is normal for immigrant cultures. Most young muslims choose to fully integrate into our culture. A tiny minority react and become hostile /introverted/ fundamentalist.
Hmmm ... let's look at some numbers ....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 621482.eceMuslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
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The Yugoslavs couldn't get used to it.We live in one world folks, not three. Get used to it.
They preferred three (or more) worlds rather than one.
Many died as a result of Tito's attempt to unify what couldn't be unified.
The world is what it is - not what you want it to be and not what it should be.
Just seen this. Correct Vortex, changes in the population figures affect all humans, including 'immigrant communities'.Vortex wrote:Adam, your signature says:
Does the exponential function not apply to immigrant communities?"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function"
Global warming, even if there was a complete or near-complete halt to our oil consumption, would continue and increase by at least 1 to 1.5 celsius. This means that the best nations to be in long-term are the northern, richer nations. Britain is right up there. So is northern U.S and especially the southern paths of Canada.
Perhaps the very best place to be the next 30-40 years in a post-peak oil world would be Scandinavia. 25-30 % of their energy production is already wind or water. Nuclear is adding up for another 40 %.
It's a small, stable society. Rich and tight-knit.
It's hard to get to as well. So there are few fears of mass immigration from poorer nations. Perhaps mainly slavs, but slavs are fundamentally Europeans in their culture. It's not exactly moslems who insist on radically islamacise the society.
The only short-term problem would be the weather. The best nation would probably be Sweden. Secured in the middle with 'shield nations' such as Denmark and Finland to absorb the first incoming waves of immigration. Norway could be good too, but they have too little farmland. It's a nation based on oil alone.
Once oil is no longer very interesting, Norway will have hefty problems.
So the short answer is: Run to Sweden.
Perhaps the very best place to be the next 30-40 years in a post-peak oil world would be Scandinavia. 25-30 % of their energy production is already wind or water. Nuclear is adding up for another 40 %.
It's a small, stable society. Rich and tight-knit.
It's hard to get to as well. So there are few fears of mass immigration from poorer nations. Perhaps mainly slavs, but slavs are fundamentally Europeans in their culture. It's not exactly moslems who insist on radically islamacise the society.
The only short-term problem would be the weather. The best nation would probably be Sweden. Secured in the middle with 'shield nations' such as Denmark and Finland to absorb the first incoming waves of immigration. Norway could be good too, but they have too little farmland. It's a nation based on oil alone.
Once oil is no longer very interesting, Norway will have hefty problems.
So the short answer is: Run to Sweden.