New coronavirus in/from China

Post by **mikepepler** » 05 Feb 2020, 16:54

adam2 wrote:He was also most interested in my suggestion that HMG should consider the use of holiday camps as being preferable to hotels. Again due to the open space between one chalet or caravan and the next.

Boom in business for Park Resorts then! And maybe Pontins, etc. too.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 05 Feb 2020, 17:00

So, it turns out, every single large volume second hand oxygen concentrator for sale on Ebay UK has now sold. Thee were several the other day. All gone.

Post by **mikepepler** » 05 Feb 2020, 17:08

Little John wrote:So, it turns out, every single large volume second hand oxygen concentrator for sale on Ebay UK has now sold. Thee were several the other day. All gone.

There's new 5-6l/min ones at around Â£300, but I wonder if they really deliver high % O2 at the higher rates, as they say 30-90% O2.

That may mean only the ones costing towards Â£1k are really up to the job?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 05 Feb 2020, 17:12

mikepepler wrote:
Little John wrote:So, it turns out, every single large volume second hand oxygen concentrator for sale on Ebay UK has now sold. Thee were several the other day. All gone.
There's new 5-6l/min ones at around Â£300, but I wonder if they really deliver high % O2 at the higher rates, as they say 30-90% O2.

That may mean only the ones costing towards Â£1k are really up to the job?

Those new ones you mention; they are made in China and my guess is they are shipped direct from there when you buy one. I wouldn't be inclined to trust my money on one at the moment as it may just not arrive.

Post by **mikepepler** » 05 Feb 2020, 17:18

Little John wrote:
mikepepler wrote:There's new 5-6l/min ones at around Â£300, but I wonder if they really deliver high % O2 at the higher rates, as they say 30-90% O2.

That may mean only the ones costing towards Â£1k are really up to the job?
Those new ones you mention; they are made in China and my guess is they are shipped direct from there when you buy one. I wouldn't be inclined to trust my money on one at the moment as it may just not arrive.

If you can bear to buy from them, some at A**zon are on 1-day delivery, so must therefore be in a UK warehouse.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 05 Feb 2020, 17:32

I've just looked at the small print on those cheap ones:

Adjustable oxygen concentration - supply continous flow 1-6L/min adjustable, 30%-90%,(1L: 90%Â±3 - 2L: 50%Â±3 - 6L: 30%Â±3 )

In other words, when you are up to 5l per minute, oxygen concentration drops to 30%.

Bullshit, in other words.

Post by **mikepepler** » 05 Feb 2020, 17:35

Little John wrote:I've just looked at the small print on those cheap ones:

Adjustable oxygen concentration - supply continous flow 1-6L/min adjustable, 30%-90%,(1L: 90%Â±3 - 2L: 50%Â±3 - 6L: 30%Â±3 )
In other words, when you are up to 5l per minute, oxygen concentration drops to 30%.

Bullshit, in other words.

Â£1,500 gets you 75% O2 at 6l/min. But that's getting expensive if you end up not needing it...

Mean Mr Mustard II · Post by **Mean Mr Mustard II** » 05 Feb 2020, 17:56

Rumours in York

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/182125 ... -property/

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 05 Feb 2020, 18:38

Well F--k it. I am actually pretty likely to get it then. Our lass lives and works in York from Monday to Friday at the Hospital and then comes home of a Friday evening (our home is in Loftus on the North East Cost). Though, this week, she has taken a couple days off and is due here tonight at 8pm.

If it's already wick in York, as I suspected might be the case, then it is only a matter of time. Well, I guess we'll get to find out how bad it is wont we....

Mean Mr Mustard II · Post by **Mean Mr Mustard II** » 05 Feb 2020, 18:57

Regarding the oxygen, when my mother was in the final stages of lung cancer, I arranged home oxygen via the GP. Any tweaking of the flow rate (only done by the supplier) had to be prescribed by the doc. That was done via a phone call. Reason being that too much can oversaturate and kill anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 05 Feb 2020, 19:01

If this gets out, that kind of decision is going to have to be made by ordinary people anyhow - assuming they can get hold of any oxygen. I already know I can't afford the bottled gas for the kind of length of time it would be required. Nor the price of a decent concentrator. So, it's moot anyway.

Post by **clv101** » 05 Feb 2020, 19:58

This is a really informative channel, especially this video: https://youtu.be/okg7uq_HrhQ

Over the last week we've watched a new documentary series on Netflix, Pandemic: How to Prevent an Outbreak
Review: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... e-to-tears

It's absolutely fascinating, no real narrative, just half a dozen fly-on-the-wall stories. Does a good job of lifting the lid on the readiness of the global health system for the next pandemic.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 05 Feb 2020, 20:01

oxygen saturation monitor, Â£19 from S American River

Post by **mikepepler** » 05 Feb 2020, 20:35

Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:Regarding the oxygen, when my mother was in the final stages of lung cancer, I arranged home oxygen via the GP. Any tweaking of the flow rate (only done by the supplier) had to be prescribed by the doc. That was done via a phone call. Reason being that too much can oversaturate and kill anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity

As mentioned above, this is why oxygen should only be administered in combination with using an oxygen saturation monitor (often called a SATS monitor). It clips on your finger and shows pulse and O2 level on the display. For a healthy person anything about 94% can be considered OK, below that oxygen can be administered to bring the reading back above 94%. When you're completely well, it should be 98-99%.

However, for people with COPD, they will have a lower 'normal' SATS level (could be in the 70s or 80s), and they ought to know what that is. They should only have O2 if below their normal level.

All the above is disregarded in a life-threatening emergency such as acute heart or breathing problems, or major trauma, when ambulance staff will normally give 15 litres/min regardless.

I know the above from when I used to be a volunteer community first responder.

Post by **adam2** » 05 Feb 2020, 21:42

Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:Regarding the oxygen, when my mother was in the final stages of lung cancer, I arranged home oxygen via the GP. Any tweaking of the flow rate (only done by the supplier) had to be prescribed by the doc. That was done via a phone call. Reason being that too much can oversaturate and kill anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity

Yes, that was the case when my late mother was reliant on oxygen due to heart failure.
The oxygen concentrator was set at the prescribed rate and needed a password to alter it.
In a short term emergency, a generous flow rate of pure oxygen is usual, but in the longer term it should be more limited.