New coronavirus in/from China

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 22 Mar 2020, 11:16

UndercoverElephant wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:JUst woke up ... very first thought: There will be a run on the ATMS.
Why? People are avoiding using cash.

because people are worried about economic collapse, including the banks. They are right to worry.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 22 Mar 2020, 11:21

Just had a message from my niece, Beccy. she tells me she has spoken to my now very frail 89 year old dad who insists she and her kid visit him as they always do two or three times per week. I also visit him every couple of weeks and my sister does so two or three times per week. Recently, this all stopped in order to keep him safe. But, he has said that he probably only has a year or so left in him anyway and that if he cant get to see his family in that time he may as well be dead anyway. So, he want us to continue to visit him so long as we are not showing overt symptoms. He knows full well the risks, he has still got all of his marbles. He will 100% die if he gets it. He knows this.

Jesus wept.

It seems some of the older generation have still got one more lesson to teach.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 22 Mar 2020, 11:26

It just occurred to me that I could rent out my run down back woods hunting camp to some rugged individual wishing to escape New York. First thing they would have to do is build a new out house so very rough indeed but better then a pup tent. Maybe two ounces of gold coins for six months rent and they are on their own.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 22 Mar 2020, 11:29

Little John wrote:
It seems some of the older generation have still got one more lesson to teach.

Your dad sees things clearly. Do it his way.

Post by **adam2** » 22 Mar 2020, 11:39

vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:
It seems some of the older generation have still got one more lesson to teach.
Your dad sees things clearly. Do it his way.

With one caveat.
Do you or close relatives stand to inherit anything significant from your father ?
In the event of any such inheritance, then unpleasant questions might be asked and inferences made as to the motives of those visiting. Even if such visits were in fact in direct accordance with the wishes of the deceased.

In such circumstances I might consider it reasonable to record any telephone calls in which the elderly relative asks for visits despite the risks.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 22 Mar 2020, 11:49

adam2 wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:
It seems some of the older generation have still got one more lesson to teach.
Your dad sees things clearly. Do it his way.
With one caveat.
Do you or close relatives stand to inherit anything significant from your father ?
In the event of any such inheritance, then unpleasant questions might be asked and inferences made as to the motives of those visiting. Even if such visits were in fact in direct accordance with the wishes of the deceased.

In such circumstances I might consider it reasonable to record any telephone calls in which the elderly relative asks for visits despite the risks.

Like most of the rest of our family, he was born with nowt and still has most of it left. Besides which, there is no-one in my family who would dream of that shit.

We lost our Mam last year. Our dad is f***ed and in his late eighties, my brother has type 2 diabetes and is 65 and my sister is paraplegic and in a wheelchair with all of the usual complications this implies for various organs. This could be a bad year.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 22 Mar 2020, 11:51

Just heard that my youngest granddaughter might have it. She's 15 months old so I hope that it is true that the young only get mild symptoms. The talk about it affecting some young people badly is extremely worrying. The family is self isolating so that means my self employed chippy son in law is without income for two weeks at least. Daughter is employed by a small (rich) family run charity so hopefully she will continue to be paid. I'm not sure what their food stocks are like but it's a thirty mile drive to restock them if necessary.

I been talking about getting planning for an ecohamlet on our small holding for nearly twenty years now and have recently started making enquiries with the local planners. They have not said "No", which is encouraging, but have raised concerns, mainly about what happens when I kick the bucket, which are addressable. It helps to be well known as the local "eco nerd" having already built an "eco house" on the holding and being a lobbyist for environmental/climate change matters. I will be getting in contact with them as soon as possible now to see if my proposal to address their concern is acceptable. I hope it's not too late. On the other hand if it is too late there won't be too many obstructions to "freelance" building in the future if things are that bad.

The reason for raising this is that my older daughter and family already live with us and I have been trying to interest my younger daughter, the one with the 15 month old, in joining us in the ecohamlet but she sees that as being a bit "incestuous", to quote her as her sister already lives here. This pandemic may, hopefully, change her mind. The reason for buying the land in the first place was as a "doomer/prepper" hedge so that prep may be coming to fruition.

Having my family about me where we could grow our own food and look after each other's security and health seems like a good idea but could having all my genes in one pot be a little dangerous for that gene pool? Any thoughts?

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 22 Mar 2020, 12:01

Little John wrote:...........Like most of the rest of our family, he was born with nowt and still has most of it left. ...........

Like most of my family, I was born with nowt and what I have got has been through hard work and sacrifice on the part of my family.

In what may be a victory for RGR, if things start getting worse on the "social cohesion" front, I might start keeping my shotgun out of the cabinet with a few shells in my pocket. Until I start to see people looking for another address/asking for directions/casing the joint I will keep it locked safely away. Until then I will rely on the kitchen knife!

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 22 Mar 2020, 12:17

Bedrock Barney · Post by **Bedrock Barney** » 22 Mar 2020, 12:20

kenneal - lagger wrote:
Little John wrote:...........Like most of the rest of our family, he was born with nowt and still has most of it left. ...........
Like most of my family, I was born with nowt and what I have got has been through hard work and sacrifice on the part of my family.

In what may be a victory for RGR, if things start getting worse on the "social cohesion" front, I might start keeping my shotgun out of the cabinet with a few shells in my pocket. Until I start to see people looking for another address/asking for directions/casing the joint I will keep it locked safely away. Until then I will rely on the kitchen knife!

I had a firearms licence up until about 2014/15. Held a .357 Marlin and also a semi auto .22 rifle. Also had a shotgun licence but never actually got round to buying a gun. Gave it all up in the end as I was too busy with work and wasn't able to regularly attend the target club. I'm not sure if I would be comforted or concerned to still have the weapons at home in my gun safe?!

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 22 Mar 2020, 12:21

kenneal - lagger wrote:
Little John wrote:...........Like most of the rest of our family, he was born with nowt and still has most of it left. ...........
Like most of my family, I was born with nowt and what I have got has been through hard work and sacrifice on the part of my family.

In what may be a victory for RGR, if things start getting worse on the "social cohesion" front, I might start keeping my shotgun out of the cabinet with a few shells in my pocket. Until I start to see people looking for another address/asking for directions/casing the joint I will keep it locked safely away. Until then I will rely on the kitchen knife!

I think that you need to clean that shotgun very well. Could take several hours each day.

Bedrock Barney · Post by **Bedrock Barney** » 22 Mar 2020, 12:24

Rang my mum this morning (Mothers Day call). Her friend's grandson just home from college and is with family in South Wales. Looks like he brought the virus with him from London and now the whole family is in quarantine. There will be lots of this happening round the country.

I understand a member of my wider family also went to the Cheltenham Gold Cup

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 22 Mar 2020, 12:28

This will change the use of comms ..

My family just organised a 5-way Skype Mothers Days meetup.

Once we sorted out a few newbie glitches, it went very well ... most impressed.

I suspect that this virus will increase the use of Skype etc greatly - so I would expect reduced car, rail & plane travel in the future.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 22 Mar 2020, 12:34

Data table of deaths by day ?

I have been tracking cases on a day-to-day basis.

I might start tracking deaths too ... can anyone point me at a web page which contains the historic data for this?

Thanks.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 22 Mar 2020, 12:34

The lower rate of transmission in the far east is probably because of more "paternal", shall we say, regimes than in the west and, in the case of Japan, a population which largely sees conformity as a virtue. They will end up with the same rate of infection as us unless they can lock down their populations until a mass vaccination program has been effected. They will have to enforce that lock down for at least a year and probably 18 months.

They will save a lot of their older population but will that eventually be a good thing. We are part of a world wide experiment in human health and economics and, if I survive it, it will be interesting to see what the future is like.

Regarding VT's comment about the rich always finding a respirator available, it might be true in the US where private medicine in the norm but in Europe and the UK there is a very much lower provision so private clinics will fill up more quickly and governments are likely to control the distribution of new ventilators much more than in the US. If they don't there could be much social unrest.