New coronavirus in/from China

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 20 Mar 2020, 07:52

To anyone seeking to self-infect or who thinks that this is 'just a flu' ...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... p-21723273

... footage shows patients on trolleys in wards, with reportedly every available space, including meeting rooms, being used for patients - with
staff desperate for other nations to see what is happening and go into complete lock down or face the same.

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 20 Mar 2020, 08:18

I'm well aware how serious this is. However, I wonder whether my options are
1. Self isolate for 12 weeks and then get it afterwards which means the self isolation was a waste of time or
2. Get it now and then if i survive I'd possibly have the anti bodies

I can probably self isolate for 12 weeks but the idea of doing it for longer when statistically I'd probably survive the virus - you see the dilemma I'm in?

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 20 Mar 2020, 08:52

boisdevie wrote:I'm well aware how serious this is. However, I wonder whether my options are
1. Self isolate for 12 weeks and then get it afterwards which means the self isolation was a waste of time or
2. Get it now and then if i survive I'd possibly have the anti bodies

I can probably self isolate for 12 weeks but the idea of doing it for longer when statistically I'd probably survive the virus - you see the dilemma I'm in?

You are lucky to have the dilemma - I have a very good chance of dying form the damn bug.

Post by **adam2** » 20 Mar 2020, 09:18

Shortages of groceries becoming obvious, and not just of the articles that one would expect.

As we know, toilet paper, dried pasta, and popular tinned goods have been short for some time, but shortages now extend to.

Beer, chocolate, laundry detergent, and others.

Bedrock Barney · Post by **Bedrock Barney** » 20 Mar 2020, 09:25

Just back from a routine dentist and hygienist appointment. I get the feeling that all routine appointments might be cancelled soon and they will only be available for emergency procedures.

'Humanitarian' trip up to Leeds tomorrow with supplies for our two 20 something children. We might been self isolating from them for the foreseeable. In Laws now communicating via Skype only.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 20 Mar 2020, 09:25

adam2 wrote:Shortages of groceries becoming obvious, and not just of the articles that one would expect.

As we know, toilet paper, dried pasta, and popular tinned goods have been short for some time, but shortages now extend to.

Beer, chocolate, laundry detergent, and others.

At some point the demand will reduce and many products will return to the shelves.

The factories and warehouses haven't simply been eaten by aliens.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 20 Mar 2020, 09:29

Dumb question : if this bug kills mainly very old people who have other illnesses then why all the panic?

It would 'simply' be a matter of making very large hospitals with plenty of ventilators plus making sure that the old & frail were isolated.

Post by **adam2** » 20 Mar 2020, 09:43

Vortex2 wrote:Dumb question : if this bug kills mainly very old people who have other illnesses then why all the panic?

It would 'simply' be a matter of making very large hospitals with plenty of ventilators plus making sure that the old & frail were isolated.

Firstly, although the elderly are more vulnerable, younger people are not invulnerable and may also die.

Secondly we do not have sufficient large hospitals, or enough ventilators, or other supplies. Isolation helps but only if well enforced.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 20 Mar 2020, 09:48

FWIW it seems that in lock-down areas abroad foot traffic is mostly banned ... and so the supermarket shelves are full again.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 20 Mar 2020, 09:55

An idle muse ... just suppose a firm releases an immediate fix for the virus, and can produce millions of tablets immediately .. would the world immediately breathe a sigh of relief and return to pre-virus normal?

Post by **adam2** » 20 Mar 2020, 10:01

Vortex2 wrote:An idle muse ... just suppose a firm releases an immediate fix for the virus, and can produce millions of tablets immediately .. would the world immediately breathe a sigh of relief and return to pre-virus normal?

A sigh of relief, yes. Complete normality, no.
Shortages of goods would persist for some time due to supply chain disruption.
Even if exporting nations resumed production immediately, it would take some time for goods to reach distant consumers.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 20 Mar 2020, 10:19

Vortex2 wrote:An idle muse ... just suppose a firm releases an immediate fix for the virus, and can produce millions of tablets immediately .. would the world immediately breathe a sigh of relief and return to pre-virus normal?

No, the world as we know it has just changed.

The commute will now seem irrational.
JIT will become 'just to stupid'
Climate and self sufficiency will become hot topics again.
Money will move to 'localism'
Currency will continue to be debased...until it snaps.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 20 Mar 2020, 11:15

It's very quite here ... what's everyone doing?

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 20 Mar 2020, 11:33

Vortex2 wrote:It's very quite here ... what's everyone doing?

Working in a clients house alone. Just considering the risk/benefits from shopping on the way home later whilst wearing a home made mask.

Post by **adam2** » 20 Mar 2020, 11:34

Ordering beer from a local brewery.
Stacking fresh cut logs to dry for next winter.
Buying lithium batteries.
Buying whisky.
Having chimney swept.
Advising neighbours re small battery charging PV systems.
Taking two very big blankets to the laundry (wont fit domestic washing machine)
Perusing fleabay for any doom related items.
Trying to book a Tesco home delivery.
Reviewing defensive arrangements and supplies.
Making hand sanitiser for neighbours.

And for entertainment,
Re-watching Survivors, the original series not the recent remake.
Re-watching "threads"
Reading "last light"