The crisis in Ukraine

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Ukraine, the pawn.
We speak of Russian totalitarianism, but say nothing about the substratum of ideological mind-bending in the West and especially America conditioning their peoples to equating freedom and democracy with the institutions and practices of advanced capitalism—no other standard on offer
Russia, knuckle under or else

And some of the stuff Obama's spouting is breathtaking in its audacity (from ordinary people, it would be naivety):
I mean, did Obama really believe it when he wrote:“We did not claim or annex Iraq’s territory. We did not grab its resources for our own gain. Instead, we ended our war and left Iraq to its people in a fully sovereign Iraqi state that can make decisions about its own future.“
and
“We are confronted with the belief among some that bigger nations can bully smaller ones to get their way — that recycled maxim that might somehow makes right.”
and this!
“Make no mistake, neither the United States nor Europe has any interest in controlling Ukraine.”
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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stevecook172001 wrote:There's a few at the top and then there's the rest of us and the ways in which those at the top manipulate their respective territories varies according to circumstance.
A recent estimate: 1% "own" 40% of the world. It shouldn't bother you if this is a little inaccurate - it reflects the truth and is near enough.

And then they tell us to tighten our belts (I know what we should do with our belts). I'd like to put the evil G7½ twats on my wage.

Lads and lasses, where's the anger?
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This man is angry.
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emordnilap wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:http://dollarcollapse.com/currency-war- ... trodollar/
To understand why trade deals between Russia, China and India are potentially huge, a little history is useful: Back in the 1970s, the US cut a deal with Saudi Arabia — at the time the world’s biggest oil producer — calling for the US to prop up the kingdom’s corrupt monarchy in return for a Saudi pledge that it would accept only dollars in return for oil. The “petrodollar” became the currency in which oil and most other goods were traded internationally, requiring every central bank and major corporation to hold a lot of dollars and cementing the greenback’s status as the world’s reserve currency. This in turn has allowed the US to build a global military empire, a cradle-to-grave entitlement system, and a credit-based consumer culture, without having to worry about where to find the funds. We just borrow from a world voracious for dollars.

But if Russia, China and India decide to start trading oil in their own currencies — or, as Zero Hedge speculates, in gold — then the petrodollar becomes just one of several major currencies. Central banks and trading firms that now hold 60% of their reserves in dollar-denominated bonds would have to rebalance by converting dollars to those other currencies. Trillions of dollars would be dumped on the global market in a very short time, which would lower the dollar’s foreign exchange value in a disruptive rather than advantageous way, raise domestic US interest rates and make it vastly harder for us to bully the rest of the world economically or militarily.

For Russia, China and India this looks like a win/win. Their own currencies gain prestige, giving their governments more political and military muscle. The US, their nemesis in the Great Game, is diminished. And the gold and silver they’ve vacuumed up in recent years rise in value more than enough to offset their depreciating Treasury bonds.

The West seems not to have grasped just how vulnerable it was when it got involved in this latest backyard squabble. But it may be about to find out.
Put that way, this could be it, the biggie. What do you think?
I think it is just the first really obvious manifestation of a process that has been going on for several years now. Power has been shifting from North America and Europe to China, Russia and India. It's only when some crisis occurs, like the one in Ukraine, that we can actually see that this has happened.

The writing has been on the wall for the US dollar for at least the last ten years. It was only a matter of time before major players started trading oil in something other than dollars, and that was always going to be a nightmare scenario for the US.
A question: why does there have to be a 'reserve' currency? What's wrong with all currencies tootling along doing business with each other?
"Reserve" is a name for something you use to store excess wealth. So it's not so much about who is doing business with who, but about what is the most reliable way of "saving" on the level of an independent country. I suppose there doesn't "have to be" one, but there's a natural tendency for one to emerge as the strongest or most reliable, and as soon as that happens then that's the one everybody wants.

For most of monetary history there was no such thing as a "reserve currency" because that role was played by gold and silver.
PS I'm bemused by the the bit 'cradle-to-grave entitlement system'. I thought that was an unattainable goal dreamed of by socialists, not set in type about extreme right-wing military regimes.
Yeah well the author is an American...
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Why the Dollar Endures

A puff piece, part of the general propaganda we're used to by now.
What accounts for this almost childlike faith in the dollar?

In fairness to the United States, it has a winning combination that no other country comes close to matching: not just a large economy but also deep financial markets, robust public institutions including a trusted central bank, and an effective legal framework.
Nothing to do with the US being the world's bully then? :roll:
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It is what Putin needed. Since at least 2007, he was trying to launch an independent Ruble System, a financial system that would be based on Russia’s real economy and resources and guaranteed by its gold reserves. No tolerance for looting and financial speculation: A peaceful move, but at the same time a declaration of independence that Wall Street will consider as a “declaration of war”.

According to the Judo strategy, the sanction attack created the ideal situation for a “defensive” move that would redirect the brute force of the adversary against him. And now it’s happening. Bank Rossiya will be the first Russian bank to use exclusively the Russian ruble.

The move has not been done in secret. On the contrary. A huge golden ruble symbol will be set up in front of bank Rossiya headquarters in Perevedensky Pereulok in Moscow “to symbolize the ruble’s stability and its backing by the country’s gold reserves,” the official agency Itar-Tass explains quoting the bank officials.
Putin Flushes the US Dollar: Russia's Gold Ruble Payment System Delinked from US $?

Now, if you bring in the recent UN vote on Crimea, in which both Israel and the Islamic Republic of Iran were conspicuous by their absence, look at
the BRIC countries and how they voted

In short, apart from one, they all abstained. The allure of a gold backed trading scheme, rather than a paper system backed up by men with guns, is obviously very tempting for them.
The US $ is at a similar position to the GB £ was in the run up to WW1. As the world's reserve currency, it is a busted flush..
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A short example of why comedy usually contains the most truth. The John Kerry schlemiel is excellent.
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emordnilap wrote:Lads and lasses, where's the anger?
A little controlled anger:
But instead, our republic is now strong-armed by professional politicians. The two dominant concerns of these careerists are to STAY in power and to do the bidding of those who ENABLE them to stay in power. Anyone who doubts this statement might try explaining why campaign finance reform and term limits are perennially “off the table.” Actually, that is an understatement - they aren’t even in the building.

It is bad enough that the President, Congress and the Courts serve the interests of a minority that is so tiny that it is almost microscopic. What is even worse, is WHO that elite constituency is. It is exclusively THE BIGS: Big banks, Big corporations, Big agriculture, Big energy, Big pharmaceuticals, Big health care, Big high tech and the BIGGEST of them all - the military-industrial complex.

The “Vox Populi” – voice of the people is now as quaint and outmoded as telephone booths on street-corners. Even when there is a massive outpouring of disapproval for a policy - such as the enormous public outcry against Iraq Invasion 2 – the will of the people is disregarded. Instead, the “leaders” kiss the sterns of their financial backers. Ten million irate citizens cannot offset a single Halliburton.
How true. That's about where we are.

Democracy is now a sham
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More on Russia's move to ditch the Petrodollar along with the re-opening of "The Silk Road" from China to Germany:
Curiously, western media have so far been oblivious to both events. It seems like a desire to extending the falsehood of our western illusion and arrogance – as long as the silence will bear.

Germany, the economic driver of Europe – the world’s fourth largest economy (US$ 3.6 trillion GDP) – on the western end of the new trading axis, will be like a giant magnet, attracting other European trading partners of Germany’s to the New Silk Road. What looks like a future gain for Russia and China, also bringing about security and stability, would be a lethal loss for Washington.

In addition, the BRICS are preparing to launch a new currency – composed by a basket of their local currencies – to be used for international trading, as well as for a new reserve currency, replacing the rather worthless debt ridden dollar – a welcome feat for the world.

Along with the new BRICS(A) currency will come a new international payment settlement system, replacing the SWIFT and IBAN exchanges, thereby breaking the hegemony of the infamous privately owned currency and gold manipulator, the Bank for International Settlement (BIS) in Basle, Switzerland – also called the central bank of all central banks.
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Whilst I don't the final paragraph particularly convincing, this does all chime in with several recurring themes on this forum, such as the transfer of gold from West to East. IMHO the new banking system that would bypass SWIFT is going to be the real killer here as it can be used as a way of circumventing economic warfare.

The re-opening of "The Silk Road" to Germany is a very interesting development as it chimes in with the view that there will be only one country that will exit the Euro - namely Germany.
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I'm glad there's a demand for silk; we need to use more natural fibres.
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Sounds like the bods in Washington have found/engineered their scapegoats. They know that they'll be forced to default at some point in the future just due to the imbalance between the debt and the tax income. Might as well blame the Old Enemy (Russia) and the new enemy (China).

This has the potential to get rather silly.
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It has got silly already - what can Europe and the US actually do? From my understanding there are large parts of the Ukraine that actually do want to be allied to Russia. Keep out and let it settle down there is nothing we or the US can do.
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westcoast wrote:It has got silly already - what can Europe and the US actually do? From my understanding there are large parts of the Ukraine that actually do want to be allied to Russia. Keep out and let it settle down there is nothing we or the US can do.
Sorry westcoast, I should've put that in better context. My fault. :oops:

It was concerning the Russian decision to start trading oil/gas/commodities in rubles and/or the currency of the trading country instead of dollars. The Chinese look likely to follow suit.

When the inevitable collapse of the dollar occurs (like all ponzi schemes eventually do), Washington has someone external to blame.

The situation in Ukraine is (yet another?) symptom of American hubris.
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The Kiev putsch authorities attempts to crack down on protesters is backfiring as army units switch sides
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Has anyone seen the latest wheeze whereby "pro-Russina Ukranians" have been seen handing out authoritative-looking bits of paper saying "All Jews must register (somewhere) by 3rd May"?

I mean. Too obvious, guys :roll:
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