New coronavirus in/from China

Post by **clv101** » 16 Mar 2020, 21:36

Just leave this here for posterity. As of 16th March:

The key new government measures are:

Everyone should avoid gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres
Everyone should work from home if they can
All "unnecessary" visits to friends and relatives in care homes should cease
People should only use the NHS "where we really need to" - and can reduce the burden on workers by getting advice on the NHS website where possible
By next weekend, those with the most serious health conditions must be "largely shielded from social contact for around 12 weeks"
The UK is now "three weeks" behind Italy - the worst-hit country in Europe
If one person in any household has a persistent cough or fever, everyone living there must stay at home for 14 days
Those people should, if possible, avoid leaving the house "even to buy food or essentials" - but they may leave the house "for exercise and, in that case, at a safe distance from others"
Schools will not be closed for the moment

Chief medical adviser Prof Chris Whitty said the group of people who should take "particular care to minimise their social contact" were:

People over the age of 70
Other adults who would normally be advised to have the flu vaccine (such as those with chronic diseases)
Pregnant women

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51917562

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 16 Mar 2020, 21:38

Other adults who would normally be advised to have the flu vaccine (such as those with chronic diseases)

Poo - that's me.

Stuck on the smallholding for 12 weeks, from the coming weekend.

On top of this if I do get infected I might be in deep do-do.

Fantastic.

Mean Mr Mustard II · Post by **Mean Mr Mustard II** » 16 Mar 2020, 21:40

clv101 wrote:
Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:Can you put them on a treadmill or similar to generate electricity, ground flour or draw water? And have them dig up potatoes later in the year? These will all be useful post-industrial skills, needed a bit sooner than expected.
They planted seeds (parsley & coriander) today. I think their help actually slowed the process... but kept them entertained for 20 mins.

Probably as well to introduce them gently to their life of toil.

Following Ralph's observation of all the global dimming gone with that barely reported incidental total collapse of global civil aviation this week, we will be growing olives and citrus on our new allotment this year.

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 16 Mar 2020, 21:40

Vortex2 wrote:
Other adults who would normally be advised to have the flu vaccine (such as those with chronic diseases)
Poo - that's me.

Stuck on the smallholding for 12 weeks, from the coming weekend.

On top of this if I do get infected I might be in deep do-do.

Fantastic.

Just realised that's me too - don't have a spleen so should have the flu vaccine every year but never bothered - booked in next Monday. I shall have to take special care from now on.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 16 Mar 2020, 21:53

clv101 wrote:Just leave this here for posterity. As of 16th March:

The key new government measures are:

Everyone should avoid gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres
Everyone should work from home if they can
All "unnecessary" visits to friends and relatives in care homes should cease
People should only use the NHS "where we really need to" - and can reduce the burden on workers by getting advice on the NHS website where possible
By next weekend, those with the most serious health conditions must be "largely shielded from social contact for around 12 weeks"
The UK is now "three weeks" behind Italy - the worst-hit country in Europe
If one person in any household has a persistent cough or fever, everyone living there must stay at home for 14 days
Those people should, if possible, avoid leaving the house "even to buy food or essentials" - but they may leave the house "for exercise and, in that case, at a safe distance from others"
Schools will not be closed for the moment

Chief medical adviser Prof Chris Whitty said the group of people who should take "particular care to minimise their social contact" were:

People over the age of 70
Other adults who would normally be advised to have the flu vaccine (such as those with chronic diseases)
Pregnant women
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51917562

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PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 16 Mar 2020, 21:57

Posted this on wrong thread.

We are now locked down. Emailed to work my forthcoming absence. Told daughter we will be home schooling. Cancelled pottery class. Sometimes you have to be decisive.

I would love to spend my time decorating reading model making gardening etc. But daughter will occupy most of my time and all of my legendary patience.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 16 Mar 2020, 21:58

My family is now also in total voluntary isolation. My trip to the supermarkets this morning was the last contact we will have with anybody else until this is all over. Deliveries only for future shopping. No physical contact whatsoever with friends and family. Will keep walking the dog, and I have foraging-related work to do outside, but that doesn't need to take me within 5 metres of anybody.

I really want to survive this outbreak, because there's some very interesting times the other side of it.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 16 Mar 2020, 22:12

UndercoverElephant wrote:My family is now also in total voluntary isolation. My trip to the supermarkets this morning was the last contact we will have with anybody else until this is all over. Deliveries only for future shopping. No physical contact whatsoever with friends and family. Will keep walking the dog, and I have foraging-related work to do outside, but that doesn't need to take me within 5 metres of anybody.

I really want to survive this outbreak, because there's some very interesting times the other side of it.

Need to take 2 goats to vet tomorrow, need to get some stuff from my office (when nobody is in the block), need to buy some nails & screws, need to fill jerrycans with petrol & diesel, need some lightbulbs & cable ties ... but nearly done. Can't go out for 12 weeks after the weekend.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 16 Mar 2020, 22:16

I'm back at work looking after elderly and infirm mentally handicapped folks as of a week today. My wife will be back at hospital in the thick of it at the same time.

Bills to pay. Jobs to keep.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 16 Mar 2020, 22:25

Vortex2 wrote:need to fill jerrycans with petrol & diesel,

I have forgotten that. Will actually need to mow the lawn quite soon. Do that tomorrow.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 16 Mar 2020, 22:30

Little John wrote: Bills to pay. Jobs to keep.

I wish you the very best luck. You're going to need it.

It will be a small miracle if none of the regulars on this forum are among the fatalities.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 16 Mar 2020, 22:35

If anyone has a legal thunder tube here, then maybe buy in some SG just in case.

Post by **clv101** » 16 Mar 2020, 23:04

Have a read of this!

The UK Only Realised "In The Last Few Days" That Its Coronavirus Strategy Would "Likely Result In Hundreds of Thousands of Deaths"
https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwi ... egy-deaths

Complete numpties.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 17 Mar 2020, 00:47

Dow down 13%.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 17 Mar 2020, 01:22

Little John wrote:Dow down 13%.

Not enough. It needs to get to 15,000, THEN we can do smiley faces. Even at my age, you are not going to find an objection to a second time in a generation equity investment opportunity.