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Unsafe at any dose
a safe dose determined from high doses does not guarantee safety at lower, untested doses that may be closer to current human exposures
“The concept of nonmonotonicity is an essential one for the field of environmental health science because when NMDRCs occur, the effects of low doses cannot be predicted by the effects observed at high doses.” This means that when GMO advocates tell us that low doses of glyphosate are harmless, their claims no longer have any valid scientific evidence. To the contrary, the knowledge that glyphosate is non-monotonic and an endocrine disruptor makes it all the more probable that it does cause substantive harm.
The logical next phase should be (should have been years ago) epidemiological studies, of which there are zero.
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If you buy meat, eggs or dairy, you're probably supporting the GMO industry. About 30 million tons of GM crops are imported to the EU per annum for animal consumption. You're keeping Monsanto and Syngenta et al profitable.

And now American brands which contain GMOs infiltrate supermarket shelves (and just wait till TTIP comes in!). Hershey, Oreo (Nabisco) and Reese plus stuff from General Mills are names to look out for. I haven't given my money to any of these companies but I once tried an Oreo. Oreos must be a contender for the worst biscuit in the world. They're horrendous, barely worth calling food; they confirm suspicions about poor American tastes.

Marks & Spencer have succumbed to selling GMOs. They had a policy of no GMs but they're fast retreating from this position, as are Tesco, Sainsbury's, the Co-op and no doubt all the other criminal middlemen.

Lobby your MPs, MEPs and supermarkets to stop TTIP and GM contamination.
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This looks like an interesting book.
The book is the result of more than 15 years of intensive research and investigation by Druker, who initiated a lawsuit against the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) that forced it to divulge its files on GM foods. Those files revealed that GM foods first achieved commercialisation in 1992 but only because the FDA covered up the extensive warnings of its own scientists about their dangers, lied about the facts and then violated federal food safety law by permitting these foods to be marketed without having been proven safe through standard testing.

If the FDA had heeded its own experts’ advice and publicly acknowledged their warnings that GM foods entailed higher risks than their conventional counterparts, Druker says that the GM food venture would have imploded and never gained traction anywhere.

He also argues that that many well-placed scientists have repeatedly issued misleading statements about GM foods, and so have leading scientific institutions such as the US National Academy of Sciences, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the UK’s Royal Society.
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peaceful_life wrote:http://www.gmwatch.org/index.php/news/a ... cles/16027

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Dog bites man.
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emordnilap wrote:Dog bites man.
In other news, a University study finds that bears defecate in woodlands...
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Journalist talks about THAT interview
He insulted me much more than was shown in the film. I don't know if he wanted me to get worked up and lose my temper, in order to create an incident. Maybe. Or maybe he was just furious at having been exposed so obviously in front of a camera as a PR guy and not a scientist (he really insists he is a 'Dr'). He kept sending me emails for a while afterwards. Somewhat pathetic. Very inconsistent. He was both insulting me and justifying his work,
Moreira sounds like a decent guy.

Moore is a liability to the industry he promotes. Not that it matters in the long run. Europeans are already eating GMOs and we'll have TTIP soon anyway.
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Séralini was right after all.

Because so-called 'control' groups of laboratory rats are given the same feed as test groups, they're all eating GMOs, toxins, pesticides (262 varieties!) etc before and during any experiment carried out.

This means drug pushers can claim any tumours occurring are a part of statistical 'noise'. Séralini has confounded them because his claims for the toxicity of GMOs were based upon analysing tests where diets were properly screened.

Still, money talks - and more. It also kills. Feck health, we are rich, we are right.
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Scotland has done the right thing by upholding the current ban on GM crops
In 2013 the Scottish Government laid out the following principles which guide their opposition:

The precautionary principle – insufficient evidence has been presented that GM crops are safe.

The preventative principle – the cultivation of GM crops could tarnish Scotland’s natural environment and damage wider aspects of the Scottish economy such as tourism and the production of high quality, natural food

The democratic principle – science-based decision making cannot replace the will of the people. There is no evidence of a demand for GM products by Scottish consumers.

The fact that the Scottish government has put together these sound, well-reasoned principles to guide their opposition gives us real hope that Scotland can be a strong voice against the pro-GM lobby in the years to come, and we can focus our attention on building a sustainable food system for the next generation
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Just another reason for thinking that we'd all be better off if the Scots ruled England.
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raspberry-blower wrote:Scotland has done the right thing by upholding the current ban on GM crops
In 2013 the Scottish Government laid out the following principles which guide their opposition:

The precautionary principle – insufficient evidence has been presented that GM crops are safe.

The preventative principle – the cultivation of GM crops could tarnish Scotland’s natural environment and damage wider aspects of the Scottish economy such as tourism and the production of high quality, natural food

The democratic principle – science-based decision making cannot replace the will of the people. There is no evidence of a demand for GM products by Scottish consumers.

The fact that the Scottish government has put together these sound, well-reasoned principles to guide their opposition gives us real hope that Scotland can be a strong voice against the pro-GM lobby in the years to come, and we can focus our attention on building a sustainable food system for the next generation
That's rather neat and should be applied throughout all society's activities, such as here.
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Monsanto has known for almost four decades that glyphosate causes cancer, according to a new paper by researchers Anthony Samsel and Stephanie Seneff.

Oooh, I am surprised.
“to create doubt and obscure the statistical significance of inconvenient findings, which may have prevented product registration”, Monsanto introduced irrelevant historical control data from other experiments.
The authors also note disagreement within the US EPA about the safety of glyphosate: “EPA documents show that unanimity of opinion for product registration was not reached. Not all members of the EPA glyphosate review committee approved the registration of glyphosate. There were those who dissented and signed ‘DO NOT CONCUR’.”
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woodburner wrote:From one of the comments in the article
My gawd! Dont believe this bullshit. Ermakova is not a scientist, she is a bureaucrat, the best proof of it is that she bases her views on pseudoscientific study by Seralini, which was thought to "prove" that "GM causes tumours in rats", until it was found that study was made awfully without proper statistics and methods
Conveniently missing out that Seralini used the Monsanto methods, just did it for two years instead of three months.
Séralini wins again in court against his attackers
On 22 September a judge in the Criminal Court of Paris found Marc Fellous guilty of forgery and the use of forgery in order to defame Prof Gilles-Eric Séralini and CRIIGEN, a research association which focuses on the risks of genetic engineering and pesticides and the development of alternatives.
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