Moderator: Peak Moderation
Not any more, many suppliers appear to be restricting sales to existing customers.Vortex2 wrote:Can industrial oxygen be easily bought?
A Chinese guy phoned LBC yesterday. He said that he had calculated the cremation throughput based on the equipment used, the numbers of furnaces and the number of days. He also said that he had heard that the furnaces were operating 24/7. He also came up with 100k+ ... and was promptly cut off. All anecdotal of course.Lurkalot wrote:3000 deaths would indicate they have been very successful in slowing down the spread , 100,000+ would seem to indicate they have been very successful in keeping a lid on the whole affair with regards to verifiable information getting out. Either way they almost deserve praise for their efficiency. I rather suspect the figure is a tad higher than the 3000 but i still take mentions of 150,000 as dubious. Time will tell i suppose.Vortex2 wrote:The Chinese data is very suspect. I have heard mentions of 100k to 150k deaths. Also of a 'scale factor' of 40+ based on various indirect indicators .. which again suggests 100k+ deaths.UndercoverElephant wrote:
Don't forget its a seriously lagging indicator. Deliberately, by 24 hours, the previous day. Then time to test and confirm. Time to arrange the testing. Strong symptoms suggesting the need to test. Mild or subclinical not too bothered. Shedding virus, infectious 12 hours after infection, oblivious. Call that a week or more of undetected and infectious, while the virus doubles unseen every other day. So, East of England, officially 16 as of yesterday at 09.00, is probably more like 160 right now, and several of those likely in Italian holiday-going Cambridge / shire, currently clocking ZERO. Sorry to bother Ralph with that example, but maybe that'll help convince his Missus...Vortex2 wrote:Useful virus case data source
This govt web page gives the latest data as a total and also broken down by region.
As the numbers increase this will show which areas to avoid.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... in-england
That messes up my earlier graphs etc somewhat. My 19 days to lock-down probably should read 12 days!Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:Don't forget its a seriously lagging indicator. Deliberately, by 24 hours, the previous day. Then time to test and confirm. Time to arrange the testing. Strong symptoms suggesting the need to test. Mild or subclinical not too bothered. Shedding virus, infectious 12 hours after infection, oblivious. Call that a week or more of undetected and infectious, while the virus doubles unseen every other day. So, East of England, officially 16 as of yesterday at 09.00, is probably more like 160 right now, and several of those likely in Italian holiday-going Cambridge / shire, currently clocking ZERO. Sorry to bother Ralph with that example, but maybe that'll help convince his Missus...Vortex2 wrote:Useful virus case data source
This govt web page gives the latest data as a total and also broken down by region.
As the numbers increase this will show which areas to avoid.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... in-england
.. still expensive 'tho ....adam2 wrote:Oxygen concentrators are still readily available on fleabay and elsewhere, and are arguably safer to use than cylinders.
They are reliant on an electricity supply, some types incorporate a backup battery but this has a limited run time being intended for brief excursions from ones home, nor for a prolonged power cut.
Some versions can be worked from a 12 volt battery which gives valuable flexibility. A car battery will serve in an emergency.
As Chris Martenson said today -That messes up my earlier graphs etc somewhat. My 19 days to lock-down probably should read 12 days!
Best not to try and fine-tune it, but try to shut down asap? And abandon any fine tuning of preps if the benefit is marginal. OMG... prunes! Tinned prunes...!!!...a day late, and a dollar short..
QueasyJet and BrianAir direct from Milan Malpensa to Luton, Stansted, Gatwick?UndercoverElephant wrote:Mass exodus from Milan before tomorrow's lockdown is underway: https://www.instagram.com/p/B9c8oYRoWfR ... 0fhndxnhvu
Nothing learned from Wuhan.
Agree entirely.PS_RalphW wrote:30% rise in one day.
A major reason why south Korea has a low CFR is that they are doing massively more tests ( 10 times more per head of population than we are) and they are catching many of the mild or asymptomatic cases.
I think a 1% CFR is reasonable estimate, as long as hospital treatment is available. Once the NHS goes into meltdown, 3% seems more likely.
