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Pete_M wrote:Linux is not ready for the person in the street, but that didnt stop Windows getting out there.

Err, nope! :shock:

The last Linux day workshop I did I took a complete bunch of systems beginners (Windoze users, but they'd never actually installed Windoze) and had them installing a system + desktop, doing word processing and power-point-like (i.e., OpenOffice Impress) stuff, and playing DVDs, within five hours. The ones that really picked it up quick then set up some servers (FTP, HTTP, NFS) to run over the local network they put together.

In my experience the biggest thing hampering Linux is Linux-heads. We need less systems engineers and more "people" with functional interpersonal communication skills. :lol: E.g., a few years ago I complained to my local Linux User Group -- Oxford -- that they couldn't get "ordinary" members because they were far too technical and scared people off. So what did they do?... They organised a meeting to engage with the public... at which they explained the workings of the "Journalling File System" :x :x

I'm not a Linux-head, I'm an electro-mechanical engineer -- and so I like things to work! (e.g., I've used Linux since 2001 and I've never once re-compiled the kernel! -- what's the point when yu can just work you way around a problem by other means). You can have technology that's years old, worth a few tens of quid, and yet it will do a lot of really useful things: you can play DVDs and watch/listen to most multimedia online, and you don't have to get geeky to do it. Basically you just follow a recipie: issue this command, load this file, connect to this website to get this file, and bingo... you too can have a region free DVD player to play cheap imported American DVDs., you can rip the copy-protected CDs that you buy, put the CD away in a locked cupboard for safe keeping (so it lasts for years because you're not going to scratch it) and play the MP3 (if you get one of those small cheap MP3 players it also uses a minute fraction of the power of a stereo amp).

Basically, if you have to spend hours tinkering with a system to get it working, get another system! (personally, I recommend Fedora 5 or 6, which you then customise using downloaded packages).

Re: power supplies and problem with the mains, there are also ways around that (but generally, you want to be using laptops for this). You can build off-grid power systems, again using junk (mostly old automotive components) to take power from small junk-made water/wind turbines, or if you can find someone to stump up some money, PV (but PV's a major pain in the arse -- I've been asked to consult on three African aid projects over the last few years and they've all failed because the funder's were not willing to stump up the money for the PV). Unfortunately I haven't managed to get any support to write-up my work in this area, but there's a few bits and pieces on the Salvage Server Project site.

PS. If anyone fancies seeing one of my previous recycled junk workshops, that worked rather well, go to http://www.fraw.org.uk/ssp/container/index.shtml and http://www.container-project.net/ for the update -- this is the sort of thing I used to do in my past life, before I became a writer and researcher on Peak Oil (sometimes I'm not sure if it was necessarily a good career change!).
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Post by Bandidoz »

Tracy Pepler and clv101 wrote:ZA
I've witnessed it myself (well, more on than off). I know of people who can't get a diesel generator for love nor money:
http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/vie ... php?t=1939
Something else that happened in the shopping mall during the powercut was every shop narrowed its entrances and manned them with a couple of staff members.

I also read somewhere that crime is up in Johannesburg due to the electric fence bordering Zimbabwe becoming switched off; armed gangs are running riot because they are not identifiable (there are stories of shoot-outs with the police). Crime in Jo'burg did fall for a while due to widespread introduction of CCTV; the criminals realised they could be identified.

I don't know how much of this is "white propaganda"; now "the blacks" are in charge, the neo-nazis get excited about every little thing that goes wrong. There's even reports about crime in Port Elizabeth on the BNP's website.

I've also heard reports of smokey people hanging off electricity pylons in Swaziland; dunno whether they were trying to tether a line or steal the metal :shock:

I also remember seeing white women begging in the middle of the main roads in Kempton Park. It felt really weird.

Regarding living amongst an unreliable supply, isn't Seahorse2 doing a running commentary in this thread? http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic7291.html

Also this : http://anthropik.com/2007/01/the-worlds ... king-down/
Olduvai Theory (Updated) (Reviewed)
Easter Island - a warning from history : http://dieoff.org/page145.htm
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Post by Pete_M »

Mike,
Im sorry I made that post. I wished I hadnt as soon as I hit the submit button. Ive now put SuSe on - but thats still not quite right and the clients app wont run because of issues with the x server and on and on ... Ah well.


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Bit of shameless Microsoft bashing...

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mobbsey wrote:In my experience the biggest thing hampering Linux is Linux-heads.
I don't think that's the problem to be honest - the problem is the number of different solutions so you have to be a Linux-head to even know what's the latest variety of the system that's in fashion. Ubuntu, SuSe, RedHat, Mandrake, Debian...blimey, you need an expert to know what to even install.

And in the SME market, there's nothing yet to comepete with Windows/Exchange/Outlook - technically maybe, but nothing that people know of.

Sadly the M$ monopoly wins out as there's not much to think about and you know you can get support for it from anywhere.

Anyway, not really PO related but couldn't resist :-)
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Post by MisterE »

Nothing in Wales will change that much if the worst happens it will be like going back to the 1970's rofl no heat, electric on and off, no gas, no hotwater, limited food and sometimes none for two days, out with ya mates and having a laugh ;-) I'm a builder does that mean I get a warm office n good car :-) I've always wanted one rofl ;-)
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