Population leaps 3.7m in ten years

[biffvernon]

Which is why I wrote "work to ensure that the push factors operating in other countries are dealt with" and not what J2M misquoted me with.

[PS_RalphW]

hmm well for nearly 100,000 years most of your immigration as been from europe mainly northern europe, you did have a pretty homogeneous culture until quite recently, when the cult of multiculturalism kicked in and told people they had to live in some sort of Balkan tower of babel .

Well, I heard the most recent theory is that all survivng non-Africans are descended from a tribe that dispersed via the middle East about 70,000 years ago, and didn't replace Neanderthals in Europe entirely until about 30,000 years ago.

I am reading 'Count Belisarius' by Robert Graves. A sort of 'I Claudius' of 5th Century holy Roman empire. Every single page is about cultural, religious, tribal, doctrinal and even sporting differences leading to riots, revolts, wars and mass murder. No mention of race, and Mohammad hadn't even been born. A bit like Yugoslavia as was, or Syria today.

[vtsnowedin]

The problem is we have a predicament, not a problem.

It is inevitable that we face both large numbers of old people who above all need human care to look after them, and a large number of under-employed healthy people struggling for a viable lifestyle. The solution is clearly wealth redistribution that will enable the unemployed to be funded to provide basic care to the people who need it.

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Seems to me if the government got out of the way either by considered choice or by their inability to act after they go bankrupt then the healthy people will take their best option and start taking care of elderly people for a reasonable price. We will need some government regulation and oversight to keep these healthy people from ripping off the old people.

[bigjim]

If for example you had a drive to make orientals become extinct via immigration by flooding their country by millions of africans and whites, because you hated their culture found it boring or xenophobic and dangerous, that would be classed under UN definitions as genocide, but somehow you can do that to majority white country's and thats fine

But the UK is nowhere near even having a minority of whites, never mind total extinction. Still about 90% of the population is white. And I won't hear a thing against immigration, one of my best friends is a Canadian immigrant and she really gives you hope for the future of humanity. If there was no immigration I would never have had the pleasure of getting stoned with her

London is nearly majority non white most of the uk's other major city's are heading that way and you guys worry about the bnp and Nazis, its quite laughable .

Whenever I go to Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield, Glasgow, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Aberdeen (they're the major ones I've visited in the past year or so) the vast majority of people I see are white.

[emordnilap]

We have net immigration because Britain is a nicer place to live than a lot of other places. That should be a cause for celebration, tempered with concern for the welfare of the less nice places.

People, like me, who think Britain is crowded enough should work to ensure that the push factors operating in other countries are dealt with.

Well again this smacks of paternalism, so we are able to distantly control how other country's are run to bring them up to our level of success and happiness .

What we should be doing is letting them to live according to their own standards and sharing our knowledge and resources with them. Indeed, paternalism (as in its meaning of benevolently intruding) would be better than what we usually do.

[SleeperService]

What we should be doing is putting an immigration policy in place in the UK so the economies of the other countries aren't deprived of the cream of the young workforce.

In my direct experience migrant workers are treated very badly by UK employers who, while running expensive cars, houses and lifestyles, claim that they can only afford the minimum wage.

Let these parasite employers go bust and give Tossco and the rest a good kick where it hurts most.

[biffvernon]

Just occasionally the Law is not and ass:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18888241

The Home Office has suffered a potentially serious legal setback in its efforts to reduce the numbers of migrant workers in the UK.

The Supreme Court said ministers could not bar workers unless rules used to do so had been shown to Parliament.

The Home Office said it would act quickly to ensure the judgement requirements were met.

Home Affairs Committee chairman Keith Vaz said the ruling had delivered a "hammer blow" to the current system.

The judgement could have implications for many rejected cases since 2008 - or possibly earlier.

[JavaScriptDonkey]

We have net immigration because Britain is a nicer place to live than a lot of other places. That should be a cause for celebration, tempered with concern for the welfare of the less nice places.

People, like me, who think Britain is crowded enough should work to ensure that the push factors operating in other countries are dealt with.

+ 1

I'd go so far as to present any new immigrants with a bill as soon as the declare an intent to settle here to offset their share of the cost of creating all that infrastructure.

Bit like accounting for all the tax that your parents paid before you were born.

[energy-village]

Inevitable the flow of migrants is to where the resources are. So if you are from rural Pakistan you will want to move to the west where you can then use ten times the resources. Good for the world?

The problem is the inequality between countries / areas - and the fact the resources themselves have mostly been imported. It's a mess and not sustainable.

[RenewableCandy]

We have net immigration because Britain is a nicer place to live than a lot of other places. That should be a cause for celebration, tempered with concern for the welfare of the less nice places.

People, like me, who think Britain is crowded enough should work to ensure that the push factors operating in other countries are dealt with.

+ 1

I'd go so far as to present any new immigrants with a bill as soon as the declare an intent to settle here to offset their share of the cost of creating all that infrastructure.

That's a bit rich when you consider how many immigrants are actually working to keep said infrastructure afloat!

[biffvernon]

...and where the wealth for the earlier round of infrastructure came from.

[JavaScriptDonkey]

How far to we go back before we stop being an 'immigrant'?

3 generations.

Next question.

[JavaScriptDonkey]

That's a bit rich when you consider how many immigrants are actually working to keep said infrastructure afloat!

Do they?

The cost to this country of building the roads and hospitals and schools and shops and factories and farms and electricity networks and water systems and sewage systems not to mention all the administrative sprawl needed to keep it all going should be offset to new comers by a joining fee.

If you then decide to work within one of those industries you will get paid just the same as anyone else.

Many foreigners look on our land as paradise.

Clean water, police you don't have to bribe, free schools & hospitals....who wouldn't want to move here from the 3rd world?

[Little John]

That's a bit rich when you consider how many immigrants are actually working to keep said infrastructure afloat!

Do they?

The cost to this country of building the roads and hospitals and schools and shops and factories and farms and electricity networks and water systems and sewage systems not to mention all the administrative sprawl needed to keep it all going should be offset to new comers by a joining fee.

If you then decide to work within one of those industries you will get paid just the same as anyone else.

Many foreigners look on our land as paradise.

Clean water, police you don't have to bribe, free schools & hospitals....who wouldn't want to move here from the 3rd world?

Indeed, they would be crazy not to want to come. We would, and have done precisely the same when times have been tough (remember the 80s TV series "Auf Wiedersehen Pett"?). However, lets not forget why they have been invited by successive UK administrations. It's not been done on the back of a spirit of racial and cultural inclusiveness, though you'd never have guessed it given that this line has been trotted out sufficiently often, usually accompanied by cries of "racist" at anyone who has the temerity to question such a policy.

No, the real reason they have been invited is to keep profits up by keeping labour costs cheap and the "accusation of racism" card has been the way in which dissent has been kept suppressed. The end result is that the only people left who are prepared to question our immigration policies are the racists.

[PS_RalphW]

How far to we go back before we stop being an 'immigrant'?

3 generations.

Next question.

Would that be all 8 great grandparents are immigrants, or 7, or 6 or just 1?

I guess your nearest immigrant ancestor is in the fourth generation.