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emordnilap wrote:it needs examples.
I went shopping today. I bought a second hand cd and a new cd of a fairly unknown artist on an indie label from a one-man independent record shop.

If I go to a supermarket it is the Co-op. We don't have a Waitrose nearby.

The last big ticket consumer durable I bought came from John Lewis.

The most expensive item I have bought recently was a woodstove made by a two person blacksmithy.

I buy my electricity from Ecotricity.

If I watch TV at all it is usually BBC and almost never ITV. I can't get Sky.

When I buy a newspaper it is the Guardian or Observer.

I'll be going to the pub tonight - the micro-brewery is in the same building - and then to the jazz club to be entertained with live music by people who do it for love not money.

Now whose got more examples?
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biffvernon wrote:Don't go shopping from shops owned by rich people. Buy from small independents, co-ops and worker-owned enterprises. Avoid the big corporates and branded goods. The rich guys are only rich because we give them money. Stop doing it.
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emordnilap wrote:it needs examples.
I went shopping today. I bought a second hand cd and a new cd of a fairly unknown artist on an indie label from a one-man independent record shop.

If I go to a supermarket it is the Co-op. We don't have a Waitrose nearby.

The last big ticket consumer durable I bought came from John Lewis.

The most expensive item I have bought recently was a woodstove made by a two person blacksmithy.

I buy my electricity from Ecotricity.

If I watch TV at all it is usually BBC and almost never ITV. I can't get Sky.

When I buy a newspaper it is the Guardian or Observer.

I'll be going to the pub tonight - the micro-brewery is in the same building - and then to the jazz club to be entertained with live music by people who do it for love not money.

Now whose got more examples?
Ah, I used to love going to the jazz club: trad, big band, swing, modern, anything so long as it's live. Magic.

Anyway, I'm putting together a bulk order (from Suma, a co-op in Halifax) for organic Palestinian olive oil, organic pasta, organic fair trade Ethiopian coffee beans, glycerin soap, ooh, loads of other organic and fair goodies today.

The food we do buy, we get from an independent shop specialising in organic produce or from local farmers, several of whom we know personally.

We go to the local multiplex maybe once every five years; we go to every locally-put-on play we can fit in. We have no tv, never had one, never will have one. We play music, so our entertainment is free.

We're keen supporters of charity shops. Visit regularly and you'll have no need to buy any 'new' clothes.

Stuff you can't buy in charity shops (knickers for instance) will always be from organically-grown materials, mostly through small independent traders.

The trainers I bought last year were made in Workington; several pairs of shoes before that were from vegan suppliers.

Our first washing machine was second hand and lasted the bigger part of twenty years; the replacement, guided by Ethical Consumer magazine's advice at the time, was one I hope will last twenty-five years or more. Likewise the fridge-freezer.

We're with Eirtricity, roughly 80% wind-generated.

We never buy newspapers.

Herself works at the local county paper; she brings home some of their surplus newspapers to light the fire, so it's the only newspaper I read.

When buying wine, we get vegan organic. We also buy from a local winemaker who uses local ingredients.

We cycle wherever we can. I'm not keen on handing over money to the already-rich.

Our firewood is grown within the county and cut and delivered by a local man.

All our paint and varnish needs are met by a small local supplier of natural paints.

I have an account at a very small credit union and a building society account. I try to get people to see the possibility of not having a bank account.

I am a avid user and promotor of FreeCycle.

90% of our furniture is second-hand.

All our dogs and cats have been second-paw.

I have no bin collection. A trip to the recycling centre twice a year deals with everything we can't re-use.

We don't use anything you can find in the household cleaning or personal hygiene sections of your typical supermarket. Our hygiene needs are met by bar soap, vinegar, baking power, lemon juice, washing soda, washing-up liquid.

We make our own toothpaste.

We grow much of our own food.

To sum up, if it's not second hand or grown ourselves, the rule is this:

The more it's advertised, the less you should be inclined to buy it.

See? It's easy.

Edited to add:

We use flour from wheat grown and milled a few miles away on an independent farm.

I give a fair size charitable donation to a tiny vegan charity in lieu of xmas presents.
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emordnilap wrote:The more it's advertised, the less you should be inclined to buy it.

See? It's easy.
Halifax! Workington! Good old Irish towns :wink:.

I used to cringe when I saw things I had bought being advertised. Now I've no idea if they're advertised!
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I used to enjoy trying to entertain them in Halifax Irish club. Not. :lol:

And olive oil from that heavily Irish enclave, Palestine. I tried sourcing an olive grower in Termonfeckin but so far, no luck.
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Most of my furniture comes from local online forums.

I'm a major supporter of my local grocer (now facing competition from bleedin Sainbury's Local) and fishmonger and wine merchant; indeed all my local shops. We're lucky to have lots of independent shops locally, very few chains. It's one of the best things about this area.

I buy my flour (a lot! as I do a lot of baking) straight from the mill, but I want to find one a bit closer to home if I can.

I'm interested in seeing if we can get a local wholefood shop off the ground. Early days.

As others have said, avoid the (big) brands. My favourite small producer is Ann Wigmore, who makes several excellent - prize-winning - cheeses in rural Berkshire.

And make stuff.

Over Christmas I did a lot of making and baking (including mincemeat for mince pies, and lemon curd), but someone did turn up on my doorstep with a box of Co-op mince pies. So I read the ingredients list and could not believe my eyes: the *second* major ingredient in the filling was sugar and the third or fourth ingredient for the pastry was sugar too! So the biggest single ingredient overall was probably sugar. And yet mince pies require no sugar at all to make! Major manufacturers just use sugar as cheap bulk. It means they can charge a lot for something that is costing them next to nothing to make. But they're turning people into sugar addicts. This is no doubt the reason why all the kids seem to be running around with ADHD and half of adults are overweight. I wouldn't feed this stuff to pigs!
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I've lost count of the number of times I've been in the position of choosing a place to live (everything from rented hovels to 6 bedroom houses). And one of my first criteria for location is, are there good local shops (for basics) nearby.

Secondhand furniture is ace: it's so much better than the latest dross and most of ours is probably going to outlast us. It's also easier to renovate: we had a load of ours re-upholstered a few years back and it looks the bees knees.

We have a local wholefood place whose owner is dreading the effect of a new Waitrose that's just openned nearby, but I think he's being over-pessimistic. His clientele is small, but hardcore. Including us, of course.
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Good man yourself, RC. :wink:

Your money has an effect once it leaves you. Hell, even before it leaves you, if it's in a bank account. People don't think about any of that.
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Thanks Emord but there's a slight flaw in the plan at present, in that I have no income (til the FiT gets here anyway) :(
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biffvernon wrote: Now whose got more examples?
Who's.
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Bloody Hell! Twice in a weekend. Too much real ale.
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biffvernon wrote:Bloody Hell! Twice in a weekend. Too much real ale.
:lol:

Or maybe not enough, for me.
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Dont buy:

Newspapers
Christmas Cards
Airplane Tickets
Foreign Holidays
Anything begining with I (I-phone etc)
Mobile Phones
Kipple
Fashion
Haircuts
Keepsie up with Joneses
Imported foodstuffs (ok apart from olives and limes and rum!)
Dishwashers
Tumbledryers
Useless Kitchen Gadgets
DVDs
CDs
Pay to view / Cable


Sounds Monk Like but no:

I have:

Computers
Guitars
Musical Instruments / studio
TV - only gets BBC due to reception - only watch documentaries or items of interest...
Car to get to work and shops
Central Heating and Open Fire
Hobbies...music, recording, electronics, reading, video editing, animation
Good food, some home grown.
Enjoy home brewing... hic

So I reckon I'm having fun.

Only one thing missing...anyone knows a single female who enjoys the above let me know :wink: :D
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Sounds pretty similar to my list Maudibe!

Except I have an iPhone, which I find really handy because it means I can get email etc whilst on the move, and there are some really useful apps like train bookings, maps, sat nav and other clever GPS stuff.

Oh and I would also include tickets to gigs and parties, in search of aforementioned single female (well not the same one obviously!)
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maudibe wrote:Dont buy:

Newspapers
Christmas Cards
Airplane Tickets
Foreign Holidays
Anything begining with I (I-phone etc)
Mobile Phones
Kipple
Fashion
Haircuts
Keepsie up with Joneses
Imported foodstuffs (ok apart from olives and limes and rum!)
Dishwashers
Tumbledryers
Useless Kitchen Gadgets
DVDs
CDs
Pay to view / Cable
Maybe that's what I should have put; pretty much the same thing, barring the second-hand iMac I'm typing this on.

Apart from the CDs, I've bought the remastered Beatles' albums and the various remakes as I have to have an occasional fix - but otherwise for years now I've only bought CDs made by musicians in this county
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You do realise that the vast majority of the female species like their home comforts, apart from a few smelly, hairy hippies?

That attitude might give you eco credit, but don't expect to pull a bird! 8)
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