AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[Little John]

Hmm, I think I should leave. see ya.

JSD and similar are worth ignoring. Stick around for the worthwhile stuff.

I'd be grateful if you would define "similar" E.

[emordnilap]

Hmm, I think I should leave. see ya.

JSD and similar are worth ignoring. Stick around for the worthwhile stuff.

I'd be grateful if you would define "similar" E.

People who express similar views?

[clv101]

Hmm, I think I should leave. see ya.

JSD and similar are worth ignoring. Stick around for the worthwhile stuff.

I wouldn't say their views are worth ignoring - their views are mainstream views and it's important to consider them if you want to have a better understanding of the whole system. There's not much to be learned from only listening to one's own opinions.

[jonny2mad]

The thing is if re and aurora vanish we lose their views, ok views which I consider fluffy nonsense but yet I like to hear.

Biff though stands like a brave attack bear, likely dressed in a kaftan I imagine, pushing his brand of fluffy nonsense .

Hes never run off, mighty fine, mighty fine.

[emordnilap]

There's not much to be learned from only listening to one's own opinions.

That's not what I implied.

I wouldn't say their views are worth ignoring - their views are mainstream views and it's important to consider them if you want to have a better understanding of the whole system.

Yes, the common, culturally-instilled view is always worth considering.

[biffvernon]

Culture is funny stuff. Here are some things I never do:

Go to a football match
Go fishing
Go to church
Go to Tesco
Watch Strictly Come Dancing
Watch pretty much anything on ITV or Sky
Go on package holidays to sunny places
Eat in fast food outlets
Wear a baseball cap, either way round
Vote Conservative
Want a fast car
Consider salary as important in choosing a career

Am I part of British culture?

[biffvernon]

likely dressed in a kaftan

And I've never owned a kaftan, but I'm not sure whether that is counted as a British cultural norm.

[Little John]

Culture is funny stuff. Here are some things I never do:

Go to a football match
Go fishing
Go to church
Go to Tesco
Watch Strictly Come Dancing
Watch pretty much anything on ITV or Sky
Go on package holidays to sunny places
Eat in fast food outlets
Wear a baseball cap, either way round
Vote Conservative
Want a fast car
Consider salary as important in choosing a career

Am I part of British culture?

Do you believe in Democracy? Or, to put it more passively, would you feel uncomfortable if any of our democratic institutions were dismantled?

Do you believe in separation of church and state? Or, to put it more passively, would you feel uncomfortable if the church had any further undemocratic say in the development of political policy than it already does?

Do you believe in equal rights/freedom from oppression for all people irrespective of their creed, colour, race, gender or sexual orientation insofar as such rights do not oppress the rights/freedoms of others. Or to put it more passively...ditto?

Do you believe in free speech and freedom of association insofar as such free speech and/or association is not a direct incitement to violence against the person? Or to put it more passively...ditto?

I could go on. We should find we share many, but not all. I would be frankly surprised if we did not.

The point is, if you really can't conceive of any significant shared positive attributes of the culture in which you were unbelievably lucky enough to be nurtured and now live, then you really do deserve to lose it.

[AndySir]

Do you believe in Democracy? Or, to put it more passively, would you feel uncomfortable if any of our democratic institutions were dismantled?

Do you believe in separation of church and state? Or, to put it more passively, would you feel uncomfortable if the church had any further undemocratic say in the development of political policy than it already does?

Do you believe in equal rights/freedom from oppression for all people irrespective of their creed, colour, race, gender or sexual orientation insofar as such rights do not oppress the rights/freedoms of others. Or to put it more passively...ditto?

Do you believe in free speech and freedom of association insofar as such free speech and/or association is not a direct incitement to violence against the person? Or to put it more passively...ditto?

I could go on. We should find we share many, but not all. I would be frankly surprised if we did not.

The point is, if you really can't conceive of any significant shared positive attributes of the culture in which you were unbelievably lucky enough to be nurtured and now live, then you really do deserve to lose it.

Did someone who has suggested on this board that violent revolution is the only way forward actually claim belief in Democracy as a shared cultural value?

Again your attempts to ascribe a single value across a group fail - there ARE British people who believe the Church should have a greater role in government and that does not make them Not British. There ARE people, referenced several times in this thread, who believe in the supremacy of 'British Culture' (whatever they define that as) over all others and they are still British. A belief in liberal democracy is only held by those who believe in liberal democracy not by those who define themselves as 'culturally British'.

[UndercoverElephant]

The point is, if you really can't conceive of any significant shared positive attributes of the culture in which you were unbelievably lucky enough to be nurtured and now live, then you really do deserve to lose it.

Yes.

[biffvernon]

I'm British because I live in Britain. Britain is a diverse and multi-various place in which there is room for people of my views and for people with other views. That is a Good Thing.

[Little John]

I'm British because I live in Britain. Britain is a diverse and multi-various place in which there is room for people of my views and for people with other views. That is a Good Thing.

Do you believe there should be room for cultural forms where a code of law that is both religiously informed and is not democratic is promoted and where proponents of such forms actively seek to enact changes to our society such that you should follow those codes as well, by force if necessary, simply because they believe you should? Do you consider that people who believe that women are little more than chattel and may be mutilated in the name of cultural preferences and/or may be forced to partake in marriages not of their own free choosing should be free to carry on with such cultural practices? Do you think it improper, even, to publicly state that such practices, as I have outlined above, are abhorrent to this culture and will not be tolerated, both strictly legally and, more amorphously, culturally?

Just wondering where your line is?

[UndercoverElephant]

I'm British because I live in Britain. Britain is a diverse and multi-various place in which there is room for people of my views and for people with other views. That is a Good Thing.

There is no room in the UK for people who believe forced marriage, honour killings and female genital mutilation are acceptable.

[Totally_Baffled]

I'm British because I live in Britain. Britain is a diverse and multi-various place in which there is room for people of my views and for people with other views. That is a Good Thing.

There is no room in the UK for people who believe forced marriage, honour killings and female genital mutilation are acceptable.

+1

[jonny2mad]

but you eat pork, and generally are immoral you reject allah and his prophet mohammed .

anyway its allahs world not yours

9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.

repent