Nuclear War

[kenneal - lagger]

A local Parish Council has called a meeting to discuss preps for a nuclear attack and wants to create a civil defence team and a register of people with First Aid training etc...

Initially thought this might just be an 'enthusiastic' local initiative, but apparently the instruction had come from the Local Authority...
Are people in other areas seeing similar ??

I'll find that out on Wednesday evening when our local Parish Council meets.

[adam2]

A local Parish Council has called a meeting to discuss preps for a nuclear attack and wants to create a civil defence team and a register of people with First Aid training etc...

Initially thought this might just be an 'enthusiastic' local initiative, but apparently the instruction had come from the Local Authority...
Are people in other areas seeing similar ??

Glad to hear that the possibility is being discussed. Forming a civil defence team and register of first aiders is certainly better than nothing, but I feel that the scale of required preps may have been underestimated.

Basic MINIMUM arrangements for a parish or similar sized community should include.
Several Geiger counters with instructions and plenty of spare batteries.
A hand operated air raid siren, NOT ELECTRIC.
Means of giving the fallout warning which is three loud bangs. Maroons are best if available, a shotgun and plenty of loud blank shells better than nothing.
Several radio receivers stored PROTECTED AGAINST EMP. Preferably powered by D cells.
Very basic emergency lighting, hurricane lamps and plenty of paraffin. A few heavy duty torches and plenty of batteries. Preferably powered by D cells.

A lot more could be done, including stocks of food, water, fuel, and other supplies. Modifying buildings for use as shelters, but the above should be be the minimum.

[kenneal - lagger]

Nothing was said at our parish council ad I forgot to raise the issue as there were other things on my mind to raise.

[Catweazle]

Preferably powered by D cells.

I've been trying to standardise my kit on 18650 re-chargeable batteries, they are compact, powerful and easily available - being commonly used in power tools, electric toothbrushes, vaping equipment ( even disposable types ) and liable to be found lying around when the vaping fluids have run out.

https://www.18650.uk/18650-batteries

[clv101]

I've been doing something similar with 18650 batteries, however despite buying what I understood to be 'quality' batteries I've had two fail in the last couple of years, and another two that came in cheap outdoor solar lamps fail too. These days I'm tending to low self discharge (Eneloop style) AA and AAA batteries. They just seem super robust where lithium seem a bit flaky.

[Catweazle]

I too have eneloops in AA and AAA for existing equipment. The power and quality of the branded 18650s is very good, but there are loads of poor quality fakes around, because of their popularity with technically naive kids building modified vaping kits. There is a whole community of people building competitive vaping machines who are fuelling a market for 18650 batteries falsely marked at up to 9000mah !!!

Various reviews I've seen have noted a very clear correlation between the actual capacity of the cells and their weight, so if salvaging used cells from equipment bear that in mind.

Typical fake:
https://m.media-DODGY TAX AVOIDERS.com/images/I/61o ... SX679_.jpg

[adam2]

I would avoid rechargeable lithium cells for emergency equipment. Reliability unknown, shelf life variable, need electricity for charging. Misuse, even accidental misuse is dangerous. Need the correct and special charger which has to be at least duplicated in case of failure.

Alkaline D cells by contrast have a storage life of 7 years, probably longer in practice. Very simple to use and reliable. Buy a pack of 50 or 100, after say 6 years buy another pack. Keep the older ones and use these first, they will probably be fine.

[anotherexlurker]

It's a rare occasion that I would disagree with Adam , but I don't like D cells as I see them as outdated tech and much prefer LSD rechargeable AAA or AA for small portable devices( I have multiple chargers that do not require mains input) and love 18650's (I have thousands of them that I got for 11pence a cell all new old stock genuine samsung cells (without protection cid) still at the factory shipping voltage(inside annoyingly well made ebike packs)). I have made some small packs at various voltages (my radio thats on most of the day lasts months on a external pack) and long term after I have moved will have a power wall inside a sacrificial "shed" that will hopefully be far enough away from the house/workshop just in case the worst happens. I do agree that 18650's need more careful handling, storage, charging etc (Never charge below 0 degrees C), I don't like how much of the outer casing is live(negative) and how close that can be to the positive top which means it would be very easy to accidentally short one out and potentially start a fire, but as long as you are careful they are great (always best to work on packs whilst the cells have the minimum charge level).

[adam2]

The main merits of alkaline D cells are safety, simplicity, and ease of use.
I an emergency such as a nuclear event I do not trust lithium rechargeable cells if they are to be used by non technical persons with the risks of over-discharge, overcharge in the wrong sort of charger, short circuits, or reverse charging.

Alkaline D cells have a considerable capacity, abut 20 AH in the better makes. They may be stored and used in any conditions that a human can tolerate.

For equipment that uses AA cells then I use Energiser ultimate lithium cells, now available with a 20 year shelf life from production or typically 19 years from purchase. These can deliver greater currents than alkaline cells . Expect to pay about £1 each if buying in quantity

[BritDownUnder]

B52s are coming to Northern Australia. It's about time as a few years ago Indonesia refuelled as Russian bomber to allow it to fly around Northern Australia.

One more step towards a nuclear Australia which is a good thing.

[Vortex2]

B52s are coming to Northern Australia. It's about time as a few years ago Indonesia refuelled as Russian bomber to allow it to fly around Northern Australia.

One more step towards a nuclear Australia which is a good thing.

We also need a nuclear armed Isle Of Man.

[Potemkin Villager]

Are Mec Vannin pushing for this?

[BritDownUnder]

B52s are coming to Northern Australia. It's about time as a few years ago Indonesia refuelled as Russian bomber to allow it to fly around Northern Australia.

One more step towards a nuclear Australia which is a good thing.

We also need a nuclear armed Isle Of Man.

We're a bit bigger than the Isle of Man and will probably be the supplier of last resort (at a price) to the West once China, Russia and their lackeys in most of the rest of the world decline to send their natural resources. Worthy of defending with about a thousand warheads I think. Perhaps a few 'dirty bombs' just for the hell of it.

That's not the say the Isle of Man doesn't have anything worth exporting and defending. I just can't think of anything just now.

[kenneal - lagger]

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That's not the say the Isle of Man doesn't have anything worth exporting and defending. I just can't think of anything just now.

It will be very well defended as its home to many offshore tax haven companies. Get your priorities right man!!

[BritDownUnder]

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That's not the say the Isle of Man doesn't have anything worth exporting and defending. I just can't think of anything just now.

It will be very well defended as its home to many offshore tax haven companies. Get your priorities right man!!

I am not sure the money is actually there. Just a server with some bits on its memory system. It would be really great of the cash or gold really is there. What a heist.