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emordnilap wrote:£10 a week sounds very low - a product of industrial pharming. I very much doubt you can buy sufficient nutrients for so little and you're probably turning yourself into a toxic repository.
My partner and I, over the last year, have averaged just under £21 per week, per person on all food and drink. That's buying bulk from Essential Trading all the dry (flour, rice, bulgar, lentil, nuts...), most tins (beans, chickpeas...), local green grocers for fruit and veg, local milkman for milk... and yes, the supermarket for cheese, yogurt, eggs... We don't tend to eat any meat at home. Milk, eggs, most dried, flour, butter pretty much always organic. We also have a very productive allotment, around two thirds of our evening meals over the year contain something from the allotment (potatoes, squash, parsnips, carrots, cabbage, beans, artichokes...).

The figure is skewed high by the meals out - mostly associated with 3rd parties (work, friends, parties etc.). It's always a bit annoying to blow a whole weeks 'domestic' food budget on one meal out!

Basically, even good food can be incredibly cheap, circa £1000 per person for a whole year. However, many people are in situations that see them spending £5 on weekday lunch alone (over £1000!) and another few hundred on takeout tea/coffee - before you even think about alcohol! The problem isn't expensive food - in the UK we have some of the cheapest in Europe.
Ah yes...like us, you eat quite cheaply - but it's not quite correct to say that: you, like us, grow some food, which means our situations can't directly compare with 'living on £X a week'.

Not growing food would stretch our budget considerably. Conversely, if our money situation weakened, we'd have to put more effort into the garden.
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Tarrel wrote:So, it looks like energy is reasonably priced to buy compared to the human labour of procuring it, but food is relatively cheap. (this assumes the wood is free / scavenged / home grown).
Externalised costs.
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emordnilap wrote:
Tarrel wrote:So, it looks like energy is reasonably priced to buy compared to the human labour of procuring it, but food is relatively cheap. (this assumes the wood is free / scavenged / home grown).
Externalised costs.
Well, up to a point, but I did include extra labour time for restoration of the wood cut down (although I didn't include cost of the seedlings, tree-shelters, etc., admittedly).
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Externalised costs of energy and food, then. :lol:
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emordnilap wrote:Externalised costs of energy and food, then. :lol:
What, as in I have to eat the food to have the energy to chop the firewood? :)

ETA, if so, then our Rayburn basically runs on doughnuts. Except when it runs on home-made fruit cake, which, I think, has a higher energy density than doughnuts.
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W-e-e-ll, people who don't have a (secure) kitchen:

1. Anyone who, for whatever reason, finds themselves in "temporary accommodation" (there are now quite a few in the UK since the Bedroom Tax came in).
2. Any students who have the misfortune to share their kitchen with, well in my case it was Anarchists but you get the idea
3. Anyone whose power has been cut off
4. My mate Kathy who had cancer (I was put in charge of her house when she went into hosp. for the last time, and discovered no-one had installed the cooker: it was just sitting there!)

VT, your marvellous compatriot Sharon Astyk has written a wonderful repudiation to the thing about "taking the Food Stamp Challenge".
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eyeswide wrote:Anyone hungry?

http://vimeo.com/73234721#
Not just now, thanks.
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