Surviving Austerity
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biffvernon
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JavaScriptDonkey
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And not a word about how we pay for it all.
The older I get the more I understand what Thatcher meant when she is so often mis-quoted,
The older I get the more I understand what Thatcher meant when she is so often mis-quoted,
They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations, because there is no such thing as an entitlement unless someone has first met an obligation.
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Little John
Those at the top must be seen to be divested of the vast proportion of their wealth.
Everyone else should be able to expect a decent roof over their head that does not cost them the earth to pay for, that cannot be taken away at the whim of a private landlord. Everyone else should be able to expect to be able to buy basic food provisions that will keep them healthy. In terms of health care, far more could be done with far less. It require a total change in our culture though. All private concerns should be banished from all public services. If it's all a bit difficult for them the extricate themselves from these state systems, well that just tough, they lose their shirts.
When push comes to shove, we remove all interventionist care for the over 80's. That's not to say that palliative care, that eases pain and makes someone as conformable as they can be, should not be given. Or, we take an expensive new form of treatment or technology and make it transparently clear that this cannot be provided. Straight away, such measures would cut the healthcare bill massively. But, it would be fair to all people and, above all, it would be transparent.
There are lots of radical ways to cut the welfare bill drastically in ways that people would obviously not like, but would swallow if they thought that everyone really was in this all together.
It's when they (and I) see the kind of bullshit spouted by our weasal politicians, trying to implement cuts by the back door, all the while lining their city friends' and their own pockets ever more than before, that I (and most other people) just think yeah....right....F--k off
Everyone else should be able to expect a decent roof over their head that does not cost them the earth to pay for, that cannot be taken away at the whim of a private landlord. Everyone else should be able to expect to be able to buy basic food provisions that will keep them healthy. In terms of health care, far more could be done with far less. It require a total change in our culture though. All private concerns should be banished from all public services. If it's all a bit difficult for them the extricate themselves from these state systems, well that just tough, they lose their shirts.
When push comes to shove, we remove all interventionist care for the over 80's. That's not to say that palliative care, that eases pain and makes someone as conformable as they can be, should not be given. Or, we take an expensive new form of treatment or technology and make it transparently clear that this cannot be provided. Straight away, such measures would cut the healthcare bill massively. But, it would be fair to all people and, above all, it would be transparent.
There are lots of radical ways to cut the welfare bill drastically in ways that people would obviously not like, but would swallow if they thought that everyone really was in this all together.
It's when they (and I) see the kind of bullshit spouted by our weasal politicians, trying to implement cuts by the back door, all the while lining their city friends' and their own pockets ever more than before, that I (and most other people) just think yeah....right....F--k off
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JavaScriptDonkey
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We often agree on what would be a good outcome Steve but rarely agree on how to do it.
Can we really not arrange to house and feed our population without trying to drag everyone down to the same level of poverty and refusing to help older people live a little longer?
After all, who will pay for everything after we have spent all the rich people's(*) money?
(*I suspect from our perspective most other posters here can be counted as richer than us.)
Can we really not arrange to house and feed our population without trying to drag everyone down to the same level of poverty and refusing to help older people live a little longer?
After all, who will pay for everything after we have spent all the rich people's(*) money?
(*I suspect from our perspective most other posters here can be counted as richer than us.)