Types of real survivalists: 1. The bad man

[biffvernon]

See, you had to count the Old Testament.

Christians (there's a clue in the name) follow the teachings of Jesus Christ as recorded in the New Testament. He was not one for killing people, rather the opposite in fact.

[jonny2mad]

Why do they have the old testament if its not the work of the same god

[jonny2mad]

jesus on the cross talking to his father, father forgive them for they know not what they do, his fathers the god that ordered all that smiteing in the old testament

[RenewableCandy]

So, the guy had a change of heart. It's one of the many glaring inexplicables in religion, like "to whom did Cain and Abel get married?".

[JohnB]

Isn't it all made up, or selectively picked facts, to keep the masses in their place? Sometimes cruelty and killing works, and other times being kind and caring does the job.

[biffvernon]

Of course it's all made up.

Well, there may have been some historical basis for the Jesus Christ character, but whether real or not, his teachings, as told in the New Testament, are what Christians profess to follow, and to a large extent those teachings are pretty good. They certainly don't allow the killing of other folk, but then that had already been explicitly outlawed a long time earlier and written down in the Old Testament.

Thou shallt not kill.

Sadly, a great many people who claim to be Christians, don't follow what Christ taught. They manage to rationalise their shortcomings and failures by noting that man is not perfect, is 'fallen', but will gain redemption through their god's infinite forgiveness.

It's a handy get-out.

[Kentucky Fried Panda]

What about a air gun for those uncomfortable with 'real' guns? If they look like a gun, can do real damage, maybe that is the answer?

Legal airguns (<12ft/sec I think) are quite puny. Fine for small game but wouldn't do much damage to grown adult man. Can get ones more powerful but would need licence so might as well get a rifle. Can modify them I believe but i don't know how(apart from more powerful spring in springers) and illegal anyhow.

Maybe good as an intermediate step if uncomfortable. Get used to weight,safety,balance etc.

Air rifles are a good way to learn marksmanship, shooting is shooting and many of the fundamentals remain the same.

Remember, and remind those around you
Treat all guns as if they are loaded.
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

[JavaScriptDonkey]

All very interesting about Christianity but not overly relevant. I never intend to kill anyone but I will defend me and mine with violence if needs be.

I suspect you're the same Biff.

If you came downstairs one night to find a gang molesting your daughter I doubt words would be your first response.

[biffvernon]

Probably not, but my options would be limited by my premeditated decision not to possess a firearm. And that, in the grand scheme of things, is good.

[Lord Beria3]

http://shtfschool.com/survival-psycholo ... chameleon/

He opened it and I saw that old machine gun inside. Of course I wanted to check it. When I took it I saw that barrel is full of melted iron, in order to make weapon unusable.

I was surprised, and ask the man why he did that, I mean you never know when you gonna need weapon ready. He laughed and said “it was always like that, unusable”.

Now I was completely confused, but then he started to talk.

He was lawyer before SHTF, he never fired a shot from any weapon, and violence was completely strange to him. When SHTF in chaos he found himself on street, looking how bunch of folks are breaking in malls and shops taking whatever is useful.

In 5 minutes he was in local museum with some young people who were breaking stuff, and taking whatever useful they could. He said “when I saw local policeman completely drunk trying to take on German uniform and helmet for fun, I realized that we are starting to live in interesting time”

He took machine gun from glass box, together with some bullets stripes and went home.

Ten days later some punks tried to loot his home armed with knives and screwdrivers:

“I put those bullet stripes on me, took machine gun, stand in front of them and yell that if they do not disappear that moment I am gonna massacre them” And of course they disappeared.

He said, even if that thing worked he was not sure if he would be able to shoot at them. But he realized one thing. It is not important how things are really – it is important how things look like.

When all different groups in town started to use signs, I mean small colored bands on shoulder in order to make clear who is belonging to their group, he got all those bands and markings.

This is a extract from a really good piece. The gist of it is that the attitude that you need guns to protect yourself is in some way flawed and that actually the best way to survive anarchy is to adapt and get along with everybody and pretend to be armed to give the appearance of 'toughness' when needed.

Useful lessons for the gun nuts/preppers out there.

[JavaScriptDonkey]

Probably not, but my options would be limited by my premeditated decision not to possess a firearm. And that, in the grand scheme of things, is good.

Then I hope for your daughter's sake that they are few and you are strong.

[vtsnowedin]

http://shtfschool.com/survival-psycholo ... chameleon/

. It is not important how things are really – it is important how things look like.


Useful lessons for the gun nuts/preppers out there.

I couldn't agree more but if you shoot the leader of a gang and he is laying there in the road bleeding out it will "Look" to the rest of the gang like they are getting beat and they ought to get out of there.

[Catweazle]

Probably not, but my options would be limited by my premeditated decision not to possess a firearm. And that, in the grand scheme of things, is good.

I suppose that in the Grand Scheme it would be better for the gang and worse for your daughter. I'm not sure I could be so calculating.

[jonny2mad]

Probably not, but my options would be limited by my premeditated decision not to possess a firearm. And that, in the grand scheme of things, is good.

They would kill you, maybe torture you a bit, maybe rape you , rape your daughter torture her then kill her, then go on do the same to other people, until they ran into someone who killed them.

Can't see how thats much good in the scheme of things.



yup

[biffvernon]

On the other hand we live in a generally law-abiding society where these kind of events are very rare. I am more concerned about traffic accidents.