Very interesting chat on You and Yours today, some good info on Transition Towns and then Leggett talking about peak oil and climate change. Also a bit of a cornucopian nutter (James Heartfield) and the radio presenter who was generally quite hostile to Leggett?s message.
Starts about half way through today's programme:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyours/
Transition Towns and Leggett on Radio 4
Moderator: Peak Moderation
James Heartfield is a leading director of audacity, audacity is a campaigning company concerned with the design and production of the man-made environment, advocating development free from the burden of 'sustainababble' and 'communitwaddle'.
He is not a peak oiler.
He is not a peak oiler.
The tale was somewhat let down by the woman who pines for a future where no cars are heard and nothing moves except for the horses returning from the fields.
Our REAL future isn't going to be like that.
We can't - and won't - uninvent technology, so a rural idyll straight out of a Constable painting isn't going to happen.
Our REAL future isn't going to be like that.
We can't - and won't - uninvent technology, so a rural idyll straight out of a Constable painting isn't going to happen.
Agreed, but if the woman making those comments is going to do some of the right kind of things to prepare and, importantly, fewer of the things that would make things worse, that's ok then, isn't it?Vortex wrote:The tale was somewhat let down by the woman who pines for a future where no cars are heard and nothing moves except for the horses returning from the fields.
Our REAL future isn't going to be like that.
We can't - and won't - uninvent technology, so a rural idyll straight out of a Constable painting isn't going to happen.
Given Lewes's proximity to the noisy A27, I don't blame her hoping that the cars will disappear. It's more likely that their numbers will thin out, which will be a definite improvement.
whether they can imagine it or not isnt the point when it comes to whether it happens or not .
horses were used up until the 1960s to deliver milk , and lots of other things , their a thing that replaces itself unlike a car that needs to be made .
I expect to see the return of the horse in my lifetime .
horses were used up until the 1960s to deliver milk , and lots of other things , their a thing that replaces itself unlike a car that needs to be made .
I expect to see the return of the horse in my lifetime .
well mud and poo are real, if you look at cuba they are using animal transport to beat their peak oil.
If you tell people the truth your likely to have the horse transport there when you need it.
if you tell them the futures hydrogen powered hovercars and you cant make them really, you wont have any transport
If you tell people the truth your likely to have the horse transport there when you need it.
if you tell them the futures hydrogen powered hovercars and you cant make them really, you wont have any transport
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Some people are going to be angry and others will be happy...hope and fears. I think most will be focused on jobs and debt before they perceive the cars and exhaust fumes vs. horses and poo debate.Vortex wrote:It DOES matter whether we talk about horses or not.
Our CURRENT population is going to need to stay calm during Energy Descent ... and filling their heads with images of mud and poo won't help.
I don't have any illusions that Transition Towns will be idylls, able to stay aloof from wider events, but they are the only show in town as far as constructive (community level) PO responses here in the UK go. What was positive about the interview with Lewes woman is that she had some understanding of the change in direction of travel that we about to embark on; this is a big step forward when you compare her with her distant relatives: "Worcester Woman" and "Mondeo man".