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Are Labour about to lurch to the left, and if so, is this really a bad thing?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... -live.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... -live.html
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Re: Labour Party Watch
ooooohhhAutomaticEarth wrote:Are Labour about to lurch to the left, and if so, is this really a bad thing?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... -live.html
"lurch"
not a nice word is it......

Meanwhile, our very own Mr Cameron has been using words like "home front" when launching his new "blame the darkies/towel-heads (insert your scapegoat of choice here)" offensive.
The propaganda front is certainly hotting up
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It'll be temporary. They have to face the corporate behemoth that is really in charge.
It's going to take much, much more than a change of face in a minor political party to protect us from climate change, pollution and resource depletion.
It's going to take much, much more than a change of face in a minor political party to protect us from climate change, pollution and resource depletion.
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The Labour Party and the LibDems for that matter, are facing a very bleak existence for decades to come.
The Tories have successfully convinced a gullible public (via repeated MSM articles and programs) that the unemployed, the sick and the disadvantaged are responsible for a financial crisis which we all know, was actually engineered by the banks and corporations.
It is precisely because the public at large have unfortunately bought into Osborne's mantra, that any left of centre or socialist opposition finds itself out in the cold.
It pains me to say it, but the likes of Harriet Harman are increasingly representative of a new breed of aspirational Labour Party supporters who have become disillusioned with traditional party values.
This trend will only be reversed when the sheeple wake up to the fact that corporations now control every aspect of their lives and have successfully reversed the hard won, working class gains that have been made during the past 100 years or so. Don't hold your breath.
As western economies go into further decline, for all of the reasons which we have continually aired on this forum, the truth may begin to dawn on the public that they have been drawn into a 'game show' from which there is no escape. By that time, any viable opposition party will have torn itself apart and completely lost sight of any core values.
Welcome to the future - it doesn't look bright.
The Tories have successfully convinced a gullible public (via repeated MSM articles and programs) that the unemployed, the sick and the disadvantaged are responsible for a financial crisis which we all know, was actually engineered by the banks and corporations.
It is precisely because the public at large have unfortunately bought into Osborne's mantra, that any left of centre or socialist opposition finds itself out in the cold.
It pains me to say it, but the likes of Harriet Harman are increasingly representative of a new breed of aspirational Labour Party supporters who have become disillusioned with traditional party values.
This trend will only be reversed when the sheeple wake up to the fact that corporations now control every aspect of their lives and have successfully reversed the hard won, working class gains that have been made during the past 100 years or so. Don't hold your breath.
As western economies go into further decline, for all of the reasons which we have continually aired on this forum, the truth may begin to dawn on the public that they have been drawn into a 'game show' from which there is no escape. By that time, any viable opposition party will have torn itself apart and completely lost sight of any core values.
Welcome to the future - it doesn't look bright.

As long as 30 years ago it was obvious to me that the difference between science and economics was that scientists try to fit their mathematical models to the physical world, whilst economists try to fit the physical world to their mathematical models.johnhemming2 wrote:The corporate behemoth is often called mathematics.
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There is a vast amount the individual can do - and live a fulfilling, exciting, contented active life - but it doesn't fit in with what people have been conditioned to expect; laziness plays a major part too.3rdRock wrote:Welcome to the future - it doesn't look bright.
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
Agreed. I'm in my early sixties, retired, financially independent, active and in good health.emordnilap wrote:There is a vast amount the individual can do - and live a fulfilling, exciting, contented active life - but it doesn't fit in with what people have been conditioned to expect; laziness plays a major part too.3rdRock wrote:Welcome to the future - it doesn't look bright.
However, my overriding concern is for the next and subsequent generations. They've been handed a poisoned chalice, of our making, from which there will be little chance of escape. Their aspirations for career, housing, independence and quality healthcare are unlikely to be met.
On a more selfish note, it also troubles me that their dissatisfaction will start to overflow and impact on my life. I'm a baby boomer - I'll be to blame!
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Varoufakis (to stray into another discussion) points out that he was a statistician, not an economist. He was very critical of much that happened in university economics departments and set about, with others, to make changes. Changes have happened, which is why academic economics is not what it used to be.PS_RalphW wrote:As long as 30 years ago it was obvious to me that the difference between science and economics was that scientists try to fit their mathematical models to the physical world, whilst economists try to fit the physical world to their mathematical models.johnhemming2 wrote:The corporate behemoth is often called mathematics.
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