UndercoverElephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:34 pm
You don't understand! The government does not have to buy back any quotas. We have left the EU
. Regaining control of those fisheries was part of what we got by default when we left the EU. It was part of the calculation. They are ours to bargain with, not the EU's. That is what this argument is about.
Those companies did NOT buy the right to fish in British territorial waters. They bought EU quotas. The UK did not control its own waters when that transaction took place. It had bargained them in return for EU favours which have been withdrawn
I wonder why this argument isn't more well-known. If you read the MSM all you see is that there's a disagreement about fishing rights with the EU still wanting access to UK fishing waters and the UK saying nope. All this nuance about quotas is completely missing.
Anyway, thanks for illuminating the situation - the disagreement makes more sense now since it is clearly one of those situations that arises from having totally different premises.
IMO, while the UK position makes a kind a sense if you feel the ideological principle is valuable enough to throw many others under the bus, it surely detracts further from the UK's credibility as a trustworthy international partner. If you sell something and then later by an act of sovereign fiat make what you sold worthless, you will not be trusted in future.
But of course sovereignty was never important to me - at least not Tory govt sovereignty. I have never personally felt any sovereignty over my own country, but I certainly felt more when the EU prevented the worst excesses of Tory ambition. If I lived in Scotland right now, sovereignty would be supremely important to me for all the same reasons that Brexiteers have been banging on about for years, and I'd be calling for independence at every opportunity.
Sovereignty is only worth anything if it's used to do good, otherwise it's just another form of evil tyranny. But as we've seen in America and elsewhere, in the postmodern absence of objective morality, political good and evil are very much in the eye of the beholder - or at least the eye of whatever media bubble you wander into.
It's nice to be able to write these things without LJ popping up to tell me to eff off